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Old 05-25-2013, 11:12 PM
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120 gal plywood vivarium.

Plywood is 3/4" Bubinga plywood (GORGEOUS WOOD)



the whole thing will consist of it being an open front vivarium. Complete with a water fall in the back right corner trickling into a pond, and a snaking river exiting it and flowing diagonally to the front left corner of the vivarium where it will enter another pond.
The back left corner will have a tree with large roots sprouting out of the ground. planning on putting fake mushrooms, more drift wood in as well.

still unsure of the pattern/design of what i'm going to put in the middle of the back wall.

This will be a slow build as funds are limited somewhat.

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So today i went and picked up the cut down wood, they did a good job, cuts are straight. but theres a few edges that are chipped but its all good.

here's the wood so far! (om nom nom nom!)



The Sides



and the other two boards.



will start assembly of the boards either tonight or tomorrow night after work!

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Hi Tim, nice looking wood you've chosen, makes me think I should do the same

How are you planning to seal the inside of the viv?
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well i have two choices really. Use a fast and easy method of using Liquid Rubber but run into the trouble of not able to adhere anything to the liquid rubber (unless someone can prove me wrong on that).

or the most likely choice is going to be epoxy resin. i have a local marine shop here in the city that sells it by the gallon and i have some extra fiberglass mat sitting here.

btw heres a few perspective shots on how big the tank is going to be. (please excuse the dirty apt.)





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What is the weight of that sucker?
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That thing is huge! Any idea what you're gonna keep in it?
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What is the weight of that sucker?
ummm not entirely sure. probably a good 75lbs, its only a single sheet of 4x8' 3/4" plywood. so i think i did pretty good for size hahaha

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That thing is huge! Any idea what you're gonna keep in it?
probably going to go with some plants..some water....some substrate.. (troll face) i'm kidding haha

its a toss up between 8-10 Super Blues or El Copes, help me decide?
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I've had fairly good luck with MS polymer type sealants on rubber. Don't know how easily you can find an equivalent where you live (About MS Polymers).

Hope it helps
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My vote is on the el copes. They look like they've got a metallic sheen to them
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I've had fairly good luck with MS polymer type sealants on rubber. Don't know how easily you can find an equivalent where you live (About MS Polymers).

Hope it helps
yeaaaaah i cant get that up here in canada haha. so i dunno what else i can use

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My vote is on the el copes. They look like they've got a metallic sheen to them
yeah i like the el copes, but i was also really liking the highland bronze's but i cant really readily get them here. well not yet. and i dunno how much they are each. But i know the Super Blues are close to the highland bronze's and they are fairly cheap here too.
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I love my El Cope... They are nice and bold and always out and about. I really like the Highland Bronze also, but I have heard from a few people that they can be a lot more shy.
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Well whatever you get, I'm sure they'll be extremely happy in their mansion
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Update:

Enclosure glued and screwed. going to leave the top open for ease of access to set up everything.

as for the top itself.... dunno what i could do. should i have it that i can silicone in a piece of glass and screen and then build a canopy to house the lights? i need ideas here guys.
as for the lights, probably going to go with 3, 4' T5's

heres the enclosure glued and screwed.





and now onto the fiberglassing...... i think i have enough mat to cover the enclosure 2-3 times over! hahaha

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Check this out:

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/par...um-design.html

I think in his design, there might be overuse of wood, but I think it is a good start for idea generation/ adaptation. I think you would also need the middle piece going across for extra support.



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SWWEEEeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!! thank you for the link and awesome idea's. I have a pretty good idea on how i am going to do mine, but this definitely gives me some ideas too!

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No problem! I can't really tell how he made the glass and wood pieces at the same level; maybe he created a lip on the inside of the wood pieces for the glass to fit into? Wish I knew carpentry :/

Also, if you want to do a canopy, just use taller pieces on the sides and make a box go on top of it .
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yeah thats how i was going to be doing the glass, i have a router here that i can CAREFULLY route out grooves for the depth of the glass to fit into, silicone it in and then cover it up with some edge moulding.
the canopy i'm still unsure on how i'm going to make it.

also i have a Q with air flow. how much is ideal for a tank like this? can i just get away with just putting a long rectangular hole on top with some screening to cover the hole? should i go with fans? maybe a push/pull design?
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Good question, I think that because the tank is relatively short, a length-wise vent would do it? If you're doing a canopy then you won't need to worry about drafts coming in. As far as internal air circulation, that's a lot of surface area for the internal air circ to keep clear. You would want to add the vent on top. If you don't want to do a bar going across, I would suggest doing intermittent holes instead (Frankly I don't know what should be done).
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I'd add a Euro vent across the bottom, as described here

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/par...step-step.html

to aid with keeping the front glass clear of condensation.

Looking good so far though

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Very nice! I had a ton of ideas for you but as I read through the posts the ideas went out the window. For the sake of it here they are anyhow!!

That thing is huge!!! Man it looks almost as big as your apt! If you ever lose your job you could rent out your apt and just stay in the dart enclosure!!

Frog-Forget the el copes, blues and bronzes-you should just put a few dozen R. reticulata in it!! Before I saw you were in Canada I was going to suggest since you said it was going to take a while that I could possibly help provide the retics.

I once worked on fiberglassing a boat hull before. I only once had to help with the resin and never again. I thought I was going to puke my brains out from the fumes!

Well I want to log into this build. Looks awesome!!
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The euro vent is a good idea but it all depends on the look you're going for. To support the doors properly you would have to have that "arched" piece of glass as detailed:





Again, if the tank were taller, a Euro vent wouldnt be a bad idea, but the amount of vented serface area covered by a rectangular vent at the top of the tank would be enough.

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soooo tonight i took a trip to the sellers place for the driftwood.......wow...what a selection!

here's what i had to pick from! haha









so i picked out a few pieces, some are really long and thick. some are short and skinny, and such. mocked them up to the vivarium and see what i could kinda work with. the last two pics are my fav. i really like the jutted out piece.











lemme know which pieces would look good in the tank!

interesting part now will be cleaning and baking them. (sighs)

EDIT: forgot to mention i got my pieces for 14$ total hahahaha
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The euro vent is a good idea but it all depends on the look you're going for. To support the doors properly you would have to have that "arched" piece of glass as detailed:





Again, if the tank were taller, a Euro vent wouldnt be a bad idea, but the amount of vented serface area covered by a rectangular vent at the top of the tank would be enough.

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The Euro vent will reduce condensation on the front glass, without it you'll be wiping it off all the time. And there is no need for a curved piece, I just use a straightforward rectangular piece across the front, it's only to support the doors, the shape doesn't matter. It can be supported with a couple of uprights if needed, and on a wooden viv this is even easier.

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you guys are awesome! i love the fact that you are helping me with the build and are wanting to see what you want to see done to the tank. i can pretty much guarantee you i'll put the European vent in place. i hope i can make it out of acrylic though? seems like an easy thing to do.
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you guys are awesome! i love the fact that you are helping me with the build and are wanting to see what you want to see done to the tank. i can pretty much guarantee you i'll put the European vent in place. i hope i can make it out of acrylic though? seems like an easy thing to do.
You can make it out of what you like, a rectangle of plywood to match the rest of the viv, and then just glass doors. Make sure you seal your wood before putting the mesh on. Alternatively use acrylic, glass, slate, cardboard (okay, getting silly now!) whatever you want.

As an improvement to the traditional Eurovent you could do a search on here for the Sherman vent, it has the same benefits, but is less obtrusive on the viv space and may reduce problems with water leaking through it.

Loving all that driftwood, wish I lived near somewhere that I could find stuff like that!

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I saw the sherman thread and thought it was silly. If you use the tight aluminum mesh screen of a regular euro, you don't need to worry about the leaks that the sherman vent addresses in the fancy way it does. My cent.
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I saw the sherman thread and thought it was silly. If you use the tight aluminum mesh screen of a regular euro, you don't need to worry about the leaks that the sherman vent addresses in the fancy way it does. My cent.
I haven't used the sherman vent myself, so cannot really comment, I like the fact that you don't lose the space at the front of the viv though, and that you don't have the spider nest there either. Neither are massive issues to me, but handy. Never had a problem with water leaks in the way described on the thread, but if it gives all the benefits of the euro vent without the (small) downfalls above, and can be made to look as tidy as the eurovent, I figure, why not.

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not an update.

but does anyone wanna do me a favor and help me PLEASE, to mock up a waterfall using black slate stone?
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For an update?
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hahaha. well i'm waiting on cash to buy some epoxy resin! when i do that, i'll give you guys an update hahaha
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update:

bought: The weather shield flex, a can of GS pond foam, paint tray, rollers, egg crate, and pond liner, and water pump.
tomorrow will be buying possibly a few airline hoses, some PVC parts like a few ball valves, and possibly 2x4s to make the stand but i am not sure!

will post pics of when i start siliconing the edges, and laying down the weather shield flex


cheers!

I should probably add that i found this product called weather shield flex. and I got talking to the Rep of the company for it and he assured me its pond safe, will stick to anything except oils. and can lay and adhere things to it since it stays tacky afterwards for a day. So laying down GS will be a great advantage. and yes you can lay down silicone over it too.
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Update: silicon'd the corners lmfao.

thank you that is all! (told you it would be a slow build -_-)


actually i'm unsure what to do for the drains, especially for the location of them. so i think i'm going to mock up my sub-floor and draw out a cutting area for my ponds on the egg crate. mock up the ponds and the river before i start drilling holes for the drains and before i start laying down the weather shield flex waterproofer.
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and here's the pic i took of it. just now. silicone is almost cured. I think the clear silicone gives it a good indicator of what the wood will look like when the outside of it is poly'd

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Very nice. I like how you are taking your time. Clear Silicone was a good route.
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Looks good! And you are wayyyy more patient than I am. I would have probably given up by now and bought the biggest tank I could afford. xD
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thank you both

and i dunno if i'm taking my time on it as opposed to ...... hate working in the basement lmfao.

But i think i am kinda buying everything i need first and then building. next purchase will be the slate rock. thick stuff too. too bad it comes in huge slabs though :P (Gotta break out the hammer and chisel)

so like i said from before, letting the silicone cure (which i think it is right now) gonna mock up the egg crate for the river and two ponds. but i think before i do that, i gotta buy my slate rock. so i can do everything all at once. then line everything up, drill my holes. Weather shield flex the inside. put everything back in, silicone everything in. Then move onto the spray foam background. and tree/driftwood structure.

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well i have two choices really. Use a fast and easy method of using Liquid Rubber but run into the trouble of not able to adhere anything to the liquid rubber (unless someone can prove me wrong on that).

or the most likely choice is going to be epoxy resin. i have a local marine shop here in the city that sells it by the gallon and i have some extra fiberglass mat sitting here.
Quite a few of the marine grade epoxies remain toxic after cured. A good solution is an epoxy by PolymerProducts. It's designed to be non toxic and waterproof after curing. Here's the link.
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Before I start building here. Im buying dendrobates auratus super blues. Do they like more floor space or more things to climb on and get high up?

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Floor space definitely. Also fairly shy (relative to similar sized frogs: leucs, tincts), so make sure you provide plenty of cover. In such a large tank you run the risk of leaving wide open spaces.
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Ok good to know! Thank you very much

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