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Old 11-27-2009, 01:58 PM
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Hey everyone i just had a quick question. I made a tank and used pvc for a false bottom and everything and made a background, everything was glues with silicone. Then i got a baby bumblee dart frog and put him in there, he was fine for about a month then just died. He is the only frog of mine that has ever died. Im not sure if he was just sick, or if i did something wrong with the tank and it killed him... What do you all think? I am afraid to put anything else in there just in case if it is something wrong with the tank. If you can help thanks
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Old 11-27-2009, 02:21 PM
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Does the tank smell like uncured silicone? Was it humid enough? What were the temps?
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Old 11-27-2009, 06:41 PM
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what would uncured silicone smell like? I am pretty sure it was humid enough. The temp might of been a little warm but I didn't think it was too hig really.
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Old 11-27-2009, 06:45 PM
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How long after siliconing the stuff did you wait before putting the rest of the stuff in, and then how long after that did you put the frog in?
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Old 11-27-2009, 06:54 PM
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Oh i waited a while im pretty sure. probably around a month maybe
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Did the smell in there burn your nose like vinegar?
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Old 11-27-2009, 10:34 PM
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No not at all. it smelled woodsy, i had leaf litter in it.
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OK frog's age, foods, amount and frequency of foods, which and frequency of supplements, and the rest of the tank materials?
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Old 11-28-2009, 12:10 AM
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Okay well im not sure exactly how old the frog is, but i know he was still a baby. I tried to feed all my frogs every day but every once in a while ill get really busy and they will go just a day with out feeding, but i try and give them a little more the next day. I feed all my frogs fruit flies, unless a culture is not ready than ill feed pinhead crickets, but i usually feed them fruit flies. I dust the fruit flies in 2 powders, the first is rep-cal herptivite multivitamins, and the other is rep-cal phosphorus-free calcium with vit.d ultrafine powder. i usually dust the fruit flies like around 4-5 times a week. The tank had a siliconed background, with like 2 siliconed fake vines in it. the false bottom was made out of siliconed pvc. There was a couple small plants i got from pet-co but they started dieing (they werent in the best of shape when i first got them), and also i put a little bamboo thing in that is fine, and i also put a fern in, which wasnt a good idea because it wasnt much of a tropical tank plant so it started to die also. and the while bottom was covered in leaf litter. and there was a little hut made out of a plastic plant put cut in half. And that is about it if im not forgetting anything.
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Possibly too much calcium, 5x a week. Did you ever see him eating? Was he too fat or too thin or losing weight? Were there too many flies in there, like did you ever notice them crawling on him? How do you know what temp it was, and what kind of light and what kind of lid?
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He looked perfectly normal. he wasnt too thin or too heavy, but i started to notice he didnt eat as much, i would put fruit flies in his tank by him and he wouldnt go after them like my other frogs, he just sat there and let the flies start to crawl on him. i used the same lid as on my other tanks, im not sure what kind of a light it was but it was only a little warmer than the other lights i use, it didnt feel too hot in the tank.
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From what I can gather, the leuc was alone am I right?

He was'nt mixed with any of the other species from your sig?

Not passing judgement, just trying to find a solution.

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Yes the leuc was all by himself. All my frogs are in seperate tanks, i need to start getting mates for them all but right now i have a male citronella and male azureus and a baby cobalt, but thats off the subject. The leuc was in a tank by himself
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So does anyone know why the frog died? Do you know if it was the tank or if he just got sick on his own or something?
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Chris,

It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong. Sometimes its just bad luck. We really know so little about frog medicine and we commonly don't follow up when a frog dies so its impossible to tell what killed your frog.

Also the quality of frogs isn't what it was many years ago. We now try to save ever frog, every tadpole, every egg with little though about the long term consequences. In my opinion its better to let the week die and help improve the captive gene pool. But understand mine isn't the general opinion in the hobby any more, if it ever was.

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Hey everyone i just had a quick question. I made a tank and used pvc for a false bottom and everything and made a background, everything was glues with silicone. Then i got a baby bumblee dart frog and put him in there, he was fine for about a month then just died. He is the only frog of mine that has ever died. Im not sure if he was just sick, or if i did something wrong with the tank and it killed him... What do you all think? I am afraid to put anything else in there just in case if it is something wrong with the tank. If you can help thanks
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Thanks, im still a little scared to try and put another from in there right now, i dont know.
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Id like to know what the exact temperature and humidity readings are.
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I would never put another frog into a tank in which one had died. Parasites are pretty hard to get rid of, if that played a role in your leuc's death. Tear it down, sterilize it, and get new wood, plants, substrate, everything before a frog goes back in that tank. Just my 2 cents.
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I would never put another frog into a tank in which one had died. Parasites are pretty hard to get rid of, if that played a role in your leuc's death. Tear it down, sterilize it, and get new wood, plants, substrate, everything before a frog goes back in that tank. Just my 2 cents.
Okay thanks, good idea. Would i need to use like new pvc stuff for the false bottom? And should i tear the background down? (Its not that good anyway, i think im doing somehting wrong with the background becuase its not as thick as everyone elses on here) and how do i sanatize it?
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