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Old 07-28-2009, 11:09 AM
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Default Background issues. Help!

Alright,
I'm now in the process of tearing down my 36x18x18 because although I thought everything would work great, I don't see how I will be able to attach plants on the background.

I have a tupperware container full of all sorts of fairly large plants and I'd like to use some on the ground and as well as some on the background.

I need help from all you expert viv builders. Shed some light and advice on me.
Pictures with explanations would awesome!
All ideas welcomed!

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Old 07-28-2009, 12:36 PM
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What kind of background did you use? The easiest way for rooted plants is to just place pots/baskets in the background as you are making it. Epiphytic plants (such as bromeliads and tillandsias etc) will attach to just about any type of background - you can get them started by using toothpics or shish-ka-bob skewers pushed into the background on either side of the plant. They just need support for a few weeks/months until their root systems can grab hold of the background.

Do you have any pics of your tank/setup?
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Old 07-28-2009, 09:34 PM
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Would of helped if I mentioned that your right.
I have GS/Cocofiber background.

I have no issues with broms, actually the issue is I have too many broms on the wall and would like to mix it up and use other types of plants.
I don't have pots in the tanks I have set up now but future ones will surely have pots included.
I'm looking at an alternative to adding some variation to the background.

What else can I do besides pots.
And for future reference, when I do use pots how do you allow for drainage of the soil?
Do you just leave the bottom uncovered from GS.
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Old 07-28-2009, 09:44 PM
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Sounds like a lot of work just to get some pots on your backgrounds

Couldn't you get some nice pieces of wood (go vertical) that could hold some soil?

You could stack some nice Mopani wood also and plant some orchids on top.

Orchids could be planted directly to your background as well.

What about climbing plants?

You could put some pots in the corners supported underneath by skewers. The pot would grow over in no time so you wouldn't see it.

I don't think you need to tear it down.

EDIT: Just thought of something. You wouldn't need to tear out the whole background for pots. You could just carve out a spot where you wanted to put a pot. Redo your GS/silicone. You can drill a small hole in the pot to drain.
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:49 PM
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It does sound like a lot of work, work I'm not interested in doing.
But the more I look at the background, my idea's that I had when constructing it seem like they are fading away.

Not interested in orchids, don't want the trouble that comes along with them.
And as mentioned broms aren't a problem either plenty of those, what I'd like to do is add vines and such to the background.

I also thought about just carving out a spot where I want a pot, place it there and GS over it and re-silicone that area, that will work if worst comes to worst, but sorta throws the look of my viv way off since I'll have a big pot covered in GS where I never planed it would.

I was hoping that some plants would grow epiphyticly similar to broms but onto ledges and stuff.

I think I will end up tearing it down though because the more I look at it the more I hate how it looks. I think a fresh start and new idea's is the way to go.

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Sounds like a lot of work just to get some pots on your backgrounds

Couldn't you get some nice pieces of wood (go vertical) that could hold some soil?

You could stack some nice Mopani wood also and plant some orchids on top.

Orchids could be planted directly to your background as well.

What about climbing plants?

You could put some pots in the corners supported underneath by skewers. The pot would grow over in no time so you wouldn't see it.

I don't think you need to tear it down.

EDIT: Just thought of something. You wouldn't need to tear out the whole background for pots. You could just carve out a spot where you wanted to put a pot. Redo your GS/silicone. You can drill a small hole in the pot to drain.
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:51 PM
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For your next build ...http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/par...pots-foam.html

You could cover baskets/pots in gs/silicone and attach them to the b/g. I don't think I would tear it apart.

You could also carve out an area stuff in a basket/pot and just reapply the gs/s to the area effected, which would probably be the least noticeable.


For my first build I used peat pots in the b/g, I then made some holes in it the whole way through the pots and gs, this now keeps the rest of my b/g moist.

The running hose down behind is an interesting idea, I have yet to try it though.
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:22 PM
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Here are a few pictures of what I have that I'm not satisfied with.
Feel free to give all the ideas on how I can improve without tearing it all down.

If you think I should tear it all down please tell me as well, I don't plan on having a tank I'm gonna hate every day.

Obviously no plants in it yet, that's the issue.
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Honest critisism wanted, I want to improve on the viv so real opinions matter.
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:28 PM
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Ziggi

With all do respect

Are you friggin nuts

That tank will look outstanding when it's planted. That's the problem you're having. All tanks don't look good until they're planted.

If you relly hate it that much you can ship it to me
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:57 PM
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Seriously..... Your background looks great it's a little linear but once you have it planted it'll look SWEET! Listen to Glenn.... All unplanted vivs look crappy.
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Default Re: Background issues. Help!

But I don`t know how to plant it that`s the problem.
I don`t know how to get the plants on the background.
Ground plants = no problem.
But I wanted other stuff besides just broms on the walls.
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:34 AM
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But I don`t know how to plant it that`s the problem.
I don`t know how to get the plants on the background.
Ground plants = no problem.
But I wanted other stuff besides just broms on the walls.
you can weave stuff in between the cracks of the wood. I did this with broms, oak leaf ficus, ferns, etc.
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:38 AM
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Find plants you can use on the background. I just have some run of the mill stuf, but phothos,creepers, ivy, and tilly's come to mind. I am FAR from anytype of green thumb, but take a gander at some of the rock wall builds, seems they don't have the option to insert toothpicks,or floral wire to help something start.

There is a bunch of threads on how to "attach to background", or "mount to background" as well.

I just started some peperomia on a background, I know its going to take some time to spread, but it should do pretty good.

I have a fern planted on one of my ledges w/ a bit of moss around it.

There is the new moss "soup" available too, which seems pretty cool.

I would absolutely try putting in some plants before I disassembled it. Remember even when your done planting it could take some time for everything to grow in and look the way you want.

By the way, IMO you have a pretty sweet starting point, the tanks look awesome !
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:42 AM
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That thing looks awesome, even unplanted I can see the potential......
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I don't know why you want to stay away from orchids? They give great foliage as well as flowers and lots can be mounted to the background.

Bulbopyllum's from cloud orchids. They ship and they're Canadian. No border issues.
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This is sorta what I was hoping to do, put some ferns or other plants, I have like 25 different species growing in a tupperware.
But the more I look at it, the more I wonder how I`m going to get the plant in there and not have the roots dry out.
Once it starts growing, more roots will spread then the end will become dry right?

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you can weave stuff in between the cracks of the wood. I did this with broms, oak leaf ficus, ferns, etc.

And what's this "moss soup" you speak of?
Sounds interesting because one main issue is I'd like to get both sides completely covered in moss both ground and hopefully have the moss grow on the ledges as well.
Moss is my #1, then Plants are #2.

Appreciate all the input to date, I'm sure with a few suggestions something will pop up I can do.
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Old 07-29-2009, 01:12 AM
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Ziggi I am in the same boat. I have no Idea how these guys have all these plants growing on their walls. Your background looks very natural though. That is a great looking tank. Don't be to hard on it because you are way ahead of some of us noobs. I still have no idea how to make a background look like that or mount broms. I saw one post where a guy made a false bottom with lighting supplies. He continued it up the wall then zip tied wood and pots and G.S.ed around it. Looked great after it was planted but it always confused me cause there were far more plants growing on that wall then pots. If I understand right Broms and epiphetic plants don't have roots and don't need pots. This whole hobby is a whole lot of learning.
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Old 07-29-2009, 01:14 AM
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To be completly honest, I think your really wrong about this tank, not to be mean haha
There's sooooo much potential there, after planting that thingll look amazing
I really think your wayyy overeacting

Also, planting wise, u could plant a pothos in the back and as it spreads, pin the spreaders to the background till it attaches itself

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Hey Ziggy. I was tooling around with the search function and found a thread that explains a few things.

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/par...ckgrounds.html

It depends on the type of plants you are going to use. You can just pin up air plants and they will attach to the G.S. without actually growing into it.

If you are using "ground Plants' You need baskets but like everyone else was saying you don't have to tear the whole thing down you just need to cut some holes.
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I agree with you lol.
I do have many photos and similar type plants, and those are the ones I plan on using to put on the background and let them spread.
My problem arises is, how do I get the photos on the background?
Not the spreaders but the original plant itself without having it in a pot?

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To be completly honest, I think your really wrong about this tank, not to be mean haha
There's sooooo much potential there, after planting that thingll look amazing
I really think your wayyy overeacting

Also, planting wise, u could plant a pothos in the back and as it spreads, pin the spreaders to the background till it attaches itself

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I don't know about pothos but other vining plants will take root at the base of the background and spread upward. Some plants will also grow with nothing but some sphagnum moss around the roots and will eventually support their own mass. I have some Ficus pumilia that has roots growing over the surface of my coco-binder background with no sphag or anything..... I'd recommend any type of vining ficus, or maybe one of those microgramma ferns. If it's described as a fast growing epiphyte you can't go wrong .
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Maybe if I post a list of plants that I have that will help you guys in identifying a few I can use on the background and other suggestions.

I have:

Philodendron
Silver Photos
Sweedish Ivy
Fitonia
Prayer Plant
Synogym
Rabit Fern
Kangaroo Fern
Pilea Norfolk
Chocolate Soldier Plant
Mahogany Fern
Lemon Button Fern

Others that's i'm not sure the name of
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Just cut some holes in the background and shove some small pots in and fill them with substrate and plant some creeping fig in there. Keep the roots nice and wet and let them get plenty of light and your background will be covered soon enough. Plants take time to grow, as well as the moss. It's not something you'll see overnight.


Plus, what would the fun be if you couldent watch the plants grow in as well?
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Old 08-01-2009, 11:40 AM
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I don't have creeping fig it was on the list but wasn't available when I made the order.
Is there a substitute in the list above?

And I agree watching plants grow is fun! But having a moss covered vivarium and full of plants is a lot more fun because that means I'm ready to order my next frogs
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I've had great luck with philo erubescens as far as a plant that will crawl up your background. It has nice big leaves and when planted on the bottom next to your wall will grow up and attach itself. I've also wrapped roots up with sphagnum moss and pinned non epiphytic plants to backgrounds and had them do just fine (crypts and some ferns come to my mind offhand). Sphagnum moss is your friend
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I have a leuc viv that i made my own planters in the GS on the walls.... yours is perfect for it! Go into your kitchen and get a small steak knife and carve holes in those ledges! Mine have a brom from Lowes in one and creeping fig in the other. Your frogs will also still be able to use them. just cut a nice size home in ther bottom for drainage, i cut mine a little big so i put a piece of fiberglass screen to keep the soil for falling threw.
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I don't have creeping fig it was on the list but wasn't available when I made the order.
Is there a substitute in the list above?
Sorry to double post but.... Go to Lowes! I find creeping fig there 9 out of 10 time i go. And they come in decent sized pots with lots of plant! If I'm not mistaken i got mine for $1.89... Might have been on sale but its $3 max...
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Great suggestion!
It'll be some more work but I have a few ideas now, I never thought of cutting in the ledges and gs over it. I won't have a huge pot in my face but still plants there ....

Also the drainage method is smart!

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I have a leuc viv that i made my own planters in the GS on the walls.... yours is perfect for it! Go into your kitchen and get a small steak knife and carve holes in those ledges! Mine have a brom from Lowes in one and creeping fig in the other. Your frogs will also still be able to use them. just cut a nice size home in ther bottom for drainage, i cut mine a little big so i put a piece of fiberglass screen to keep the soil for falling threw.
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No lowes here ...Home depot but I don't find they have very much if anything at all most of the time.

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For those looking, I just picked up a nice sized creeping fig from Lowes the other day!

I cant wait to see this tank all planted, I think it is gonna rock!
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