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Old 06-05-2009, 07:53 PM
 
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A knock knock at the door and what do I find? The postman delivering my MistKing system. Ofcourse I immediately unpacked it.....



First things first, count everything. Check! Now comes the fun part, replacing all the white Collets with black ones, and all the blue Collet Locks with black ones. This is the amount I used, minus a few that broke on the way out.....



After that, I temporarily installed the pump on a foot stool and installed all the nozzles in the tank and ran them one at a time to get thier orientation correct.....



I wasted a huge amount of water getting that done. All in all I went through 6L which is about 12 days worth =) This is no problem however as I have drains. It takes about 30 seconds from the time I pour 1L into the tank and the excess works it's way into the drain bucket.
After that I simply ran my lines.....



Once the lines are all run, there is not much left to do but hook up the pump. Here is how my system looks with completely black MistKing misting and drain systems.....



Here is a diagram to explain the layout:



All in all, the system is awesome. The components are fairly priced for the high quality you are getting. Shipping is reasonable, Marty is a pleasure to do business with, and everything looks great.

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Old 06-05-2009, 07:58 PM
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nice setup! what are you keeping in teh tubs?
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Did you put all that on just one pump?

When I set mine up Marty suggested going with one pump for each rack. I forgot how many nozzles he said the pumps are rated for but I was kind of right at that limit.
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:27 PM
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Gary, i thought those pumps were rated for about 50 nozzles?
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:39 PM
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Gary, i thought those pumps were rated for about 50 nozzles?
I think maybe his older, somewhat nosier pumps may have been. But I think his new "No Drip" pumps are rated for around 14 or so. I have 16 nozzles in total to run and he said it would be pushing it to put all those on one pump. I wouldn't get that nice fine spray.
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Julio & Gary,

The bins are for growout/isolation/quarantine or anything along those lines.

The standard pump Marty supplies is good for 14 nozzles roughly. There is an advanced pump that is good for 70, but this rack is in my living room so a big pump is not practical.
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ok, that explains it, i got the advance, i am running 20 nozzles and i get teh nice fine spray.
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The standard pump produces a very fine mist. It's so fine in fact that you can't see it unless your looking at a surface that it contrasts against. It has a lower volume output so it can't supply too many nozzles is all.
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Old 06-05-2009, 10:50 PM
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Julio & Gary,

The bins are for growout/isolation/quarantine or anything along those lines.

The standard pump Marty supplies is good for 14 nozzles roughly. There is an advanced pump that is good for 70, but this rack is in my living room so a big pump is not practical.
The larger pump is only slightly larger than the smaller pump.

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Ed,

Larger by size? Volume? PSI? Noise?
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That is a great looking setup!! One day I hope to be that organized.
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Ed,

Larger by size? Volume? PSI? Noise?
I think everything except size?

Here is what I could find by looking at MistKing...

standard pump:
  • You can use this pump with one nozzle or with 15 nozzles.
  • capable of producing maximum of 125 PSI of pressure.
  • This pump is virtually silent.
  • 1/4" outflow
  • $96 with zipdrip (~$30)

Advanced pump:
  • You can use this pump with one nozzle or with 70 nozzles.
  • capable of producing 130 psi of pressure
  • very quiet, but since it's based on a 110V motor, it will be louder then the 'standard' pump.
  • 3/8" outflow
  • At 130PSI this pumps draws about 0.5A (~60watts)
  • $123

Adjustable pump:
  • can adjust this pump from 10 psi to 150psi
  • 20 nozzles or 70 nozzles you can adjust the flow to precisely where you need it.
  • 2/3 the size of other diaphragm pumps
  • assuming 3/8" outflow (not stated)
  • $240

Does anyone know the flow rate of these pumps or of the nozzles?
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I have seen the pump info at the site, but I don't have the kind of money it would take to order several pumps and test them out. As much as I would love to, it will have to wait to upgrade

Here is nozzle info from Marty:

At...

43psi it sprays out 40ml
58psi it sprays out 48ml
72psi it sprays out 68ml

Here is the flow chart from the standard pump, the one that comes with the ultimate system....

Pressure (psi) - Flow (ml/min)

0 - 2150
20 - 1440
30 - 1340
40 - 1240
50 - 1160
60 - 1050
70 - 970
80 - 900
90 - 830
100 - 770
110 - 700
120 - 630
130 - 250
135 - 0

According to the chart you should be able to run 14-15 nozzels off this pump, however my experiance it is not that simple.
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Larger by size? Volume? PSI? Noise?
It only takes up a slightly larger foot print.. (I guess slightly larger physical volume). I didn't notice much in the way of noise difference for the larger pump. It pumps about the same amount of fluids as the smaller but as noted serves for a greater number of mist heads. If you are using double mist heads in larger tanks (or wish to upgrade to double misting heads) you'll need the larger pump as you can rapidly exceed the ability of the smaller pump.

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Running 14 Nozzles on the system lead to a couple conclusions.

First I didn't like the idea that the system was maxed out. There was no room to add anything more, and I had a rather complicated plumbing system. That was significantly cutting down on the performance on the pump.

So what I decided to do was split the system in 2. So now what I have is the top 6 vert 10s on one system, and the Boxes and Brom tray on a second system. The MistKing system is now 2 complete Ultimate ZipDrip systems. 2 timers, 2 pumps, 2 ZipDrips. One system with 6 nozzles and one with 8.

I prefer this to the way I had it originally. The mist is extremely fine and completely encompasses the entire Viv in just seconds ensuring that I can ignore it when I'm not around or otherwise indisposed. Running 2 standard pumps has the benefit of keeping the noise down, and worst case scenario if I have a pump dies one day down the road, I can still run the entire system on one pump. This wouldn't be possible if I just did a single, louder, higher output pump.

I have a little emergency system built in. If one pump dies, I can take a plug out of a T, and put that T into a second T making a cross, and the system is rejoined as one. At that point, I can take the second no longer functioning pump out and things will be fine until the second pump can be replaced.

So to summarize, for a complicated rack plumbing like I have, 2 standard pumps with up to 10 nozzles works awesome. If you want to move upward of 14 nozzles, you will surely want a linear design or 2 smaller separate systems.

Marty was really cool and understanding with my situation and hooked me up with a smokin' deal on the parts I needed getting the second system running. Two thumbs up!!!
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