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Old 10-29-2019, 07:07 PM
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I know pine is harmful to frogs but would using it for a rack without sealing it be okay? I have the design and all the lumber ready to go but i'd prefer to not spend hours sealing the wood. Would heat treated pine around the vivariums harm the frogs? There will be fans blowing on the lights inside the rack if that makes a difference. I know lots of people use pine 2x4s for their racks but in pictures it's hard to see if they've sealed it (unless its painted).
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Greetings,

I'm not sure where the notion that pine is dangerous for frogs originated. Pine lumber is not a danger to frogs - certainly not when used as shelving material for a viv rack. Short of coating a frog in pine sap or fumigating a viv with turpentine, I think the risk posed by pine to frogs is more rumor than fact.
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I think heat treated would be great, if you have access to it at a decent price. It's a bit harder, water-repellant and quite handsome "out of the box". No need to finish for an indoor application.
If you make it, be sure to post pictures!
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I'm not sure where the notion that pine is dangerous for frogs originated.
There are a number of studies that establish that pine (and cedar) shavings cause significant problems for caged lab animals. Undoubtedly some of the issues have to do with particle inhalation, but in some circles an unjustified wholesale fear of all aromatic wood species has taken hold.

I personally would use pine lumber in any non-contact animal application; in a contact application I'd be only worried about the longevity of the lumber itself.

Curious: is 'heat treated' different from 'kiln dried' lumber?
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Thanks guys! Just wanted to be extra sure it wouldn't cause any issues. Will definitely post some pics!
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I wouldn't put it inside a viv, but regular kiln-dried pine boards (like everything you see at Home Depot) are fine for a stand or cabinet.
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