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Old 03-18-2019, 12:34 PM
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Default Advice on matching frogs with tanks

This isn't a question completely about parts or construction right now, but the answers will greatly affect the construction.

I have found myself in possession of 5 tanks:

1 x 55gal (~48in x 23in x 12in)
1 x 20gal high
1 x 20gal long
2 x 10gal

I have 3 D. auratus microspot in the 20gal high already, but they can be moved to another tank as necessary.

My question: what would be appropriate species for each of these tanks (in the vertical or horizontal position)? My only criterion is that they are bold species. I would like to see them frequently.

I have some ideas already, but I'm very curious what the folks in the community here would do.

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Old 03-18-2019, 01:13 PM
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You can put almost anything in the smaller tanks. Just pick what you like. The 55 is the one that you might have difficulty stocking, at least in my experience. It is a big enough tank you might need a costly number of smaller frogs to "fill" it. That is not to say that it is necessary to get a large number of frogs in any tank since frogs always appreciate more space. It's not really a problem to need a larger number of frogs, but another way to go is to look at frogs that can actually use the space without needing a bunch of them. I would look at Ameerega species like Chrome Bassleri or Trivittatus. They are large, athletic frogs that can use the large footprint of the 55. They jump, rather than hop and crawl like my other dart frogs do. I have A. pepperi (I don't recommend those specific frogs, just because they are really hard to get) in my 90 gallon and am really happy with the decision.

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Interesting. I hadn't thought about it from that perspective.

My biggest concern was what to put in the 10gals because of the behavior of the 3 auratus in the 20H. As soon as they matured, they stopped appearing publicly and run terrified whenever they see a human. I suspect I have 3 females, so my fear is that don't have enough space to avoid quarrels.

Whatever I get, I'd like to get 2. If they happen to be 2 females, I don't want them harassing each other because of the tank size.
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That sounds like almost all of the auratus I have ever had :-) They are hiders in my experience.

Any chance of going vertical with the 10s? If so, you could do a pair of thumbnails in there no problem. Could still do it if they are horizontal, but the thumbs do seem to like a little more height.

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Back when I had my campagna auratus I saw them maybe once a month and only as a blur of movement from across the room as they darted under the leaf litter. I saw them so infrequently that I didn't even know if they were eating.

I'm with Encyclia though on the larger tank. Get a species that really would appreciate it. Phyllobates are another option. They are large, bold, easy, and have a good call.
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Different people have different experiences with Auratus, I have some portobelo and when I first got them they were very shy, now days they are out constantly, part of it is plant choice and positioning in tank. I think they also just like to get comfortable with their environment. Sometimes I think they are litterally waiting for the food but the front glass.
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Different people have different experiences with Auratus, I have some portobelo and when I first got them they were very shy, now days they are out constantly, part of it is plant choice and positioning in tank. I think they also just like to get comfortable with their environment. Sometimes I think they are litterally waiting for the food but the front glass.
Yeah I've heard that and have considered giving them another shot in the future. I understand that the blanket statement of "auratus are shy" just isn't true.
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Any chance of going vertical with the 10s? If so, you could do a pair of thumbnails in there no problem. Could still do it if they are horizontal, but the thumbs do seem to like a little more height.

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I can definitely do vertical in the 10s. I was thinking about Ranitomeya benedicta in a 10vert, but I've heard they are more terrestrial than other thumbnails. Would 10vert still be best for a pair of them?
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I'm with Encyclia though on the larger tank. Get a species that really would appreciate it. Phyllobates are another option. They are large, bold, easy, and have a good call.
I'm definitely considering some Phyllobates terribilis for the 55.

Would a 10gal be too small for a pair of Dendrobates leucomelas? Would they prefer vert or hor?
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I would consider leucomelas for the 55 as well.
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Would a 10gal be too small for a pair of Dendrobates leucomelas? Would they prefer vert or hor?
Leucs like to climb a lot. They'd really appreciate more space than 10g no matter how it is oriented.

Imitator pairs do well in 10 g vivs.
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Would a 10gal be too small for a pair of Dendrobates leucomelas? Would they prefer vert or hor?
Leucs like to climb a lot. They'd really appreciate more space than 10g no matter how it is oriented.

Imitator pairs do well in 10 g vivs.
I agree, I have 4 leucs in a 36x18x24in exoterra and they use ever inch of space you'll give them. I cant imagine myself putting a pair of leucs in 10g to be honest, i think it would look really cramped for them.
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Leucs like to climb a lot. They'd really appreciate more space than 10g no matter how it is oriented.

Imitator pairs do well in 10 g vivs.
Totally agree with you here, but definitely not vertically oriented.

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I agree, I have 4 leucs in a 36x18x24in exoterra and they use ever inch of space you'll give them. I cant imagine myself putting a pair of leucs in 10g to be honest, i think it would look really cramped for them.
It would looked cramped to me too. I kept a trio in an 18" cube. That was pushing it in my opinion.
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Totally agree with you here, but definitely not vertically oriented.
Do you mean that for imitators it definitely should not be vertically oriented?
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