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HX 03-06-2009 03:45 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 

dart_king 03-06-2009 07:16 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
WOW, amazing work!!!!

Marinarawr 03-06-2009 07:44 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
That truly is phenomenal! I may have to give that a try to satisfy my love for root systems in vivariums ;). Thanks for the tips HX!

Julio 03-06-2009 08:08 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Great work and detail on those roots, wish i had that kind of skill and time.

HX 03-07-2009 06:47 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Thanks for your words.
Marina, I'm happy to hear someone's inspired!

Nate 03-08-2009 11:02 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
That is absolutely amazing! I can't believe its fake, don't know when I will try doing that but I will defiantly try that soon!

mellowvision 03-10-2009 05:50 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
nice stuff.

kyle1745 12-19-2009 10:39 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Bringing up this old thread to ask how HX is carving the foam.

HX 12-20-2009 06:06 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Hi, Kyle.
I carve the expandable polyurethane foam with sharp knives and sometimes finish off with a rotating grinding disk, either connected to a drill or a corner grinder.

Polyurethane does not melt well with heat, neither soldiering nor flame, so it's a bit harder to carve than polystyrene.

Gert-Jan 03-14-2010 01:14 PM

expandable foam
 
Hi,
I used expandable foam for bulding a rock back ground in my desert ter,
But i had a lot of 'air bubbles" in it.

How do you get such a fine structure on those root systems?
just aply pressure when you spray it on the wires or something like that?

I've got me a new terrarium (in holland-->euro style) and i'm planning on a hill
with roots comming out as a back ground..

Buying roots in the local aquarium store would do the trick, but still...
making my own would be more satisfying!!

thanks for posting those pics of your creations and the 'how to' !!

HX 03-15-2010 10:13 PM

Re: expandable foam
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gert-Jan (Post 448400)
Hi,
I used expandable foam for bulding a rock back ground in my desert ter,
But i had a lot of 'air bubbles" in it.

How do you get such a fine structure on those root systems?
just aply pressure when you spray it on the wires or something like that?


Hi there.

I don't know if some foams work better and some worse. But I have noticed that when you spray thin layers and let them dry, you get smaller airpockets as well. Apply several layers, if needed.
If you use grout or any other cement-based stuff, you don't have to worry about the holes. They are filled with the stuff you use, when you brush it on.

Here's another branch project of mine:

Basic structure, pipes glued together with hot glue, a couple of plastic bottles cut for pots:
http://kuva1.kuvablogi.com/iso/img2507917.jpg


PU-foamed and thinner twigs made with stainless steel wire:
http://kuva1.kuvablogi.com/iso/img2507918.jpg


PU-foam carved:
http://kuva1.kuvablogi.com/iso/img2507919.jpg


A couple of layers of grout brushed in, twigs filled in with vinyl string soaked in grout, grout carved a bit:
http://kuva1.kuvablogi.com/iso/img2507920.jpg


Brownish bottom layer dried up and a darker surface being brushed in:
http://kuva1.kuvablogi.com/iso/img2507921.jpg


Shaded with dark, almost black hue and pretty much finished:
http://kuva1.kuvablogi.com/iso/img2507922.jpg
(The greenish stuff is acrylic polymere, which turns green before drying completely and turning colorless)


And finally, after a month of keeping wet to let the cement harden, in a tank:
http://kuva1.kuvablogi.com/iso/img2507923.jpg


Sorry for the lousyish pics, I'm no photographer.

Julio 03-15-2010 11:31 PM

Re: expandable foam
 
great branch work!!

HX 03-17-2010 09:54 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Thx Julio!

the_deeb 03-24-2010 03:11 AM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Your most recent branch is stunning HX. Once again, I'm blown away by your artistic ability. Have you tried growing epiphytic plants or moss on any of your branches or rocks? Are they able to take root and grow on the grout surface?

HX 03-24-2010 11:19 AM

Re: expandable foam
 
Hi and thanks.

Yes, both submerged and emersed plants take hold and root quite well:
http://kuva1.kuvablogi.com/iso/img2349982.jpg

HX 07-15-2010 07:12 AM

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Lycosa 07-15-2010 12:13 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Wow.. really amazing work.

My son and I did a foam background piece and we were really pleased with how it came out... and then I saw this. lol

You've done some really outstanding work here.

I'm definitely going to give this a try with hopes that it will come out even half as nice as the pieces you've done.

Thanks for sharing how you did it all.

Raf 07-15-2010 12:23 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Wow amazing.
Do you have more pics to show us :D.

HX 07-15-2010 05:57 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Thank you plenty, Lycosa. So happy to hear you are inspired.
Looking forward to seeing your work.

Raf you insatiable you. Thanks.
Well, these seem to have gotten lost from this thread somehow:

Pvc pipes glued together
http://kuvablogi.com/nayta/prev/img1234305.jpg

PU foamed
http://kuvablogi.com/nayta/prev/img1234307.jpg

PU carved, some sticky stuff added to make sand and then grout stick onto the pipes
http://kuvablogi.com/nayta/prev/img1234308.jpg

Three-four layers of grout, carving, brushing, sanding
http://kuvablogi.com/nayta/prev/img1234310.jpg

And the roots under water:
http://kuvablogi.com/nayta/prev/img886813.jpg

keith campbell 07-16-2010 05:09 AM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
WOW! MAGNIFICENT work as always HX!! How much time (not including drying and curing) do you put into one of these? Keep up the inspirational work!

Keith

HX 07-16-2010 08:44 AM

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Thank you.

I just got the latest piece glued into a 140 gallon tank (it is going to be a mudskipperarium) and rigged in an underpowered pump to check out how the inbuilt piping works. Was happy to notice all 12 separate water pools filling up!
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_6_StfLAs1LI/TE...0/DSC07995.JPG

Also notice heavy planting.

Raf 07-16-2010 11:10 AM

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Really great. What is on the bottom of the pools?

HX 07-16-2010 11:12 AM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by keith campbell (Post 485719)
How much time (not including drying and curing) do you put into one of these?

Sorry, forgot to answer your question.
Depends a bit on the size and other parameters. If I go for something I haven't tried before, a process or a material, then more.

But a fair sized trunk is less than a day's work, effectively.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raf (Post 485742)
Really great. What is on the bottom of the pools?

Thanks.
Thats just sand, 0,5-1 mm grain. "White" silica sand.

Raf 08-02-2010 11:56 AM

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Hi Hx,

Thanks to your technique I got some ideas and made a background for my new terrarium:

http://rd.sohosted.com/fotos/terrarium/overzicht4.jpg

it really helped a lot showing your stuff!

Julio 08-02-2010 11:59 AM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
looks good, nice detail!

HX 08-02-2010 12:10 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raf (Post 490340)
Hi Hx,

Thanks to your technique I got some ideas and made a background of my new terrarium:

http://rd.sohosted.com/fotos/terrarium/overzicht4.jpg

it really helped a lot showing your stuff!


WHOA!

Nice job, dude. Thanks for shearing that. Truly outstanding outcome. Keep it up!

HX 08-02-2010 02:04 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
..for sharing, not shearing. Third language, this your english.

BR5 09-10-2010 01:38 AM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
The shear talent you have is amazing, I'm trying to duplcate your work and would be happy if it turns out 50% as good.
Thanks for the details
Brian

Judy S 09-10-2010 12:27 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
So well done...a couple of questions: Some of the materials you have listed are unfamiliar to me--especially the tile plaster..which you described as being used to "separate" the tiles. That, I believe, is a technique that is not used here in the USA that I am aware of. What would be a more descriptive term?? And the use of Acrylic co-polymere...what is that? Grout and the various colors is a good idea...do you seal everything to make it water tight? Have you tried other methods of "painting" the highlights and shadows of the roots?? I can just visualize neons scooting through all those wonderful cyprus roots as though they were in the bayous of Louisiana..

HX 09-10-2010 06:19 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Judy S (Post 502093)
So well done...a couple of questions: Some of the materials you have listed are unfamiliar to me--especially the tile plaster..which you described as being used to "separate" the tiles. That, I believe, is a technique that is not used here in the USA that I am aware of. What would be a more descriptive term?? And the use of Acrylic co-polymere...what is that? Grout and the various colors is a good idea...do you seal everything to make it water tight? Have you tried other methods of "painting" the highlights and shadows of the roots?? I can just visualize neons scooting through all those wonderful cyprus roots as though they were in the bayous of Louisiana..

I am not certain if these questions are directed to me or Raf for that unbelievably natural background he's made. But I'll answer what I know.

Tile plaster is what you use to fix the tiles onto the surface being tiled. The type I use is "renovation" plaster, with added glue and modified to stick onto practically any surface. Sticky stuff, but still very cementy. Sand grain filler size around 0-1 mm.

Acrylic co-polymer is a liquid plastic added to modified cement products to harden and/or seal them. There are many manufacturers and brands, as well as many qualities of plastics. What is in common with them is that they are air-drying and very stable after drying. (I believe) none of them are in any way dissolved by water after drying, although they are water-soluble (when they still are) liquids.

I don't seal the final outcome. But I do use the above mentioned sealers/polymers in the mixtures of plasters and grout. It seals it "partially", I think. Or reduces the affect cement has on ph and hardness of water the pieces are in contact with.

Many people seem to use acrylic or other paints to highlight and even color their pieces. I don't. I think paint is covered or worn off from the surface very quickly. But then, the color of grout is being covered with aging and by bio-activity as well. Under water very quickly, emersed more slowly but as surely. Except in dry terrariums.

HX 09-24-2010 03:52 PM

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Raf 09-24-2010 04:31 PM

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And again an amazing piece of work :)
Really cool!

Vermfly 09-24-2010 04:43 PM

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Damn, that is just ridiculous. Amazing piece. Is this for a fish tank or a vivarium?

HX 09-24-2010 04:52 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Thanks, dudes.

I think it's going to be in a paludarium/riparium sort of a setting with the four inbuilt flowerpot-sort of thingys.

Fishboyfromohio 09-25-2010 04:46 AM

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Loving it!

dendrothusiast 09-26-2010 09:11 AM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
wow, just saw this post because it sounded interesting and figured i'd learn something. learn something I did! Screw buying huge giant pieces of driftwood from the fishstore thanks people for your how-to's an thanks for posting this question

Okapi 10-09-2010 08:45 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
amazing, im going to have to try this sometime.

fleshfrombone 10-10-2010 12:47 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Ohhh my god! This thread is amazing. HX dude, I need to apprentice under you for a while. Teach me your ways, Da Vinci of the vivarium.

RentaPig311 10-10-2010 06:57 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Very cool thread. Anyone found a source to buy these. I'm afraid I'm not that artisitc and would never be able to crank one of these out on my own. I'm looking for a buttress type root stump with some "mushroom" shelves growing out of it. Please post up if you have any idea where to get one or could possibly be bribed into making one. The artistic talent of some of you dbers amazes me.

raimeiken 10-13-2010 07:40 PM

Re: How were these constructed?
 
Great stuff man! :D

I love the details you put into each piece. They really look realistic!

Because of this thread, I;m actually making one for my 20gal vert now :D


so how long do you wait before you apply the 2nd coat of grout?

and then how long do you let it cure before you place them in the Vivs?


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