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Old 03-03-2013, 02:37 PM
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I was fortunate enough to get a proven pair of old line villegas BriBri about a year ago,which I love.They are great frogs and actively breeding.When I got them they were all red,almost no black at all.Recently I noticed they seem to be getting some black marbling which is awesome,but I never heard of frogs getting blacker,redder yes.They have chunked up a lot since I got them.Is there any dietary reason for black pigmentation as adults ? Has anyone else ever noticed anything like this or am I just loosing it?

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Has anyone else ever noticed anything like this or am I just loosing it?
I don't know if those two things are mutually exclusive lou

What are you supplementing with? You could try rotating in some superpig or something like naturose or paprika. I know that the old school of thought used to be that Pumilio were some of the frogs that would respond the best to color enhancers like that. Don't know that I have really read anything recently on it, so I cant tell you if that has changed much.

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HaHa,I hear you Tom!


Yes I use repashy superpig,icb,suprvite,and vit a, all in rotation.Don't get me wrong they are red as red can get,I love the black marbling and would like for them to get blacker if they could.
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I have a pair of eldorado that has done the same thing Lou. I have heard that supposedly the Eldorado are southern range of the bri-bri population, which would make sense as they are simalr size and do exhibit some similar phenotypes...
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Cool,they are gorgeous frogs,A little more black will just make them pop that much more.My wife teased me and said it was because they were getting fatter and stretched the black.
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Hey Lou, I just noticed that you mentioned, "ICB". Was that a slip of the tongue, or do you really have ICB? ICB was dropped from the label well over a year ago. It is now called Repashy Calcium Plus. If you really have ICB then it is very dated and you might want to consider replacing it.
I'm not saying it would cause the blackening, just pointing it out.
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Hey Lou, I just noticed that you mentioned, "ICB". Was that a slip of the tongue, or do you really have ICB? ICB was dropped from the label well over a year ago. It is now called Repashy Calcium Plus. If you really have ICB then it is very dated and you might want to consider replacing it.
I'm not saying it would cause the blackening, just pointing it out.
Doug,Old habits are hard to break,I get new supps every 6 months or so.I know they changed the name but I'll always know it as ICB.Kind of like sirensis,I still(and probably always will out of habit) call them Lamasii.
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OK, just making sure somebody didn't send you something that expired a long time ago.
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Are they breeding for you? I have 2, and one is calling. Hoping the other is female.
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Yes sir,they sure are.I have a froglet the morphed on January 1st.They currently have a film cup with 6 eggs that were laid about a week ago and look to be almost ready for transport.I keep watching, hoping to see them in action.The male seems to prefer a certain brom (which was the brom the other morphed from) and keeps screaming at his lady loudly,so I suspect there has been something in there and he wants her to feed.He is very bold where she is not so much.The froglet seems to take after him in that respect.

The funny thing is the male is fat and at first I thought that was the girl until I seen him call.She has porked up since then and apparently happy enough to do her job.How old are yours?
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Maybe about 10 months. Same here, the larger, fatter one began calling. I'm crossing my fingers that the other is just a little younger. Can't see any signs of a dark throat and "she" hasn't called. He seems to be showing off a lot for "her", and doing all he can to attract her her attention.
The other day he was casually leaning against the wall, smoking a cigarette, saying, "yeah, I drive a Mustang".
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Maybe she's looking for a man with a Ferrari
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Another good thing about these guys,are that the froglets are big enough that they take wingless pretty much right out of the water.Of course I have a bunch of springs in there and they will pig out on them all day long too.
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Oh that's good. I'm not sure where I would find springtails.
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My Escudos are gearing up too,and well that's another story.I'm trying to gear up my springs but my bastis and cristos are producing now and the morphs are eating like they have 2 ......you know whats
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I count 6-7 full swimming tadpoles in the horizontal (slight decline so it holds a splash of water)film can.The male has been calling the female all over the tank,in and out of the broms.She has been following and checking every axil he brings her to,so hopefully they transport soon.I've spent alot of time observing them lately trying not to miss it.I don't know if she'll take care of that many at a time.I guess only time will tell.
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Ok this odd.The film can with 6ish tads appear to have 2 different size tadpoles in it.They still haven't transported them yet.I'm guessing that they are 2 different clutches.Now, I found another can that has I think 4 developing eggs in it.They are in a 20 gallon vert with a bunch of nice sized broms and a bunch more film cans,so I don't think deposition sites are an issue.How many tads can a single pair take care of at 1 time?
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How many tads can a single pair take care of at 1 time?
That can vary depending on the type of pumilio, the individual parents, available deposit sites, and the available space and microfauna.
For instance I've talked to several people that have had Escudo raise 3 babies at a time. My Escudo pair will only take care of one.
I also have a friend who has had El Dorado raise 7 successful froglets at once.
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My spotted eldorado have tended up to 10 or so tads with 7 morphing at once. I have a couple pairs that double clutch and produce one round of froglets with another round int the following two weeks, which would mean they are feeding 8-10 tads at a time. I think that's about the max and I think the eldorado/bri-bri and bigger pums can produce more due to their size....either way, pretty cool Lou!!

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Cool,I was getting concerned.That makes me feel better.There is at least a froglet and I think there are tads in there that I don't see.The male calls almost nonstop all day until lights out.There is a ton of food and deposition sites in there so we should be good.I guess time will tell.I'll keep this thread updated.If all goes well I'll have a bunch of froglets to trade out
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If all goes well I'll have a bunch of froglets to trade out
Haha this is why you're awesome Lou. It's never sell it's always trade for more frogs.
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The way I look at it is if I can trade for a frog I want and can make someone else happy it's win/winIf I don't find frogs I want, then I can always sell them later.Either way it's all good.
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I'm playing with my camera and figured I'd see how some pics would look.Here is the proud pop and his froglet.If you look at the froglet pic you can see the silhouette of another large tadpole in the white film can,which is the first time they have used a can.They usually use the broms,so hopefully that means the broms are loaded up.
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Well they are doing a bang up job!The little guy in the white film cup in the pic above in the last post morphed out yesterday and I found two more hanging on top of their black film cans today.Being they had so many tads and they seemed to like the broms more than the cans in the past, I'm thinking there will be a few more at the least.Oh and I found four more new eggs in a different can than they have used in the past. These guys are the darkest redest frogs I've ever seen.The one that morphed out on January 1st is still nice and dark red and growing like a weed.He is almost 3/4 of the size of the parents.
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Congrats Lou. I'm glad those guys are breeding so prolifically for you.
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Thanks Ed,Me too I'm going to try and get some pics within the next couple of days.I don't want to disturb them too much,although they really aren't shy frogs.
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I was able to get a shot of one of the little guys.It's not the best pic,but it was in a dark spot of the tank.
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Hey Lou,

what kind of lighting do you have on the tank?
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Nice frogs! Can you post a picture of the tank, please?
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what kind of lighting do you have on the tank?
Dual t12's.The last pic of the new froglet, the flash went off so it looks brighter than it is.
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Are you using UVB bulbs?
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Julio,Honestly I'm not sure,I bought the fixture from someone using it for reptiles and set it up temporarily,but the plants have been growing well and frogs have been breeding so I decided to keep using it.I know a lot of people have been using leds but they cost so much more.
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LEDs don't provide UVB but regular fluorescent do, you might need to switch out the bulbs though as the UVB fades usually at about 10 months in my experience that has something to do with the coloration fading as well
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That's the other thing.With the flash on the camera you can't really tell but these frogs are a rich dark red.They are absolutely gorgeous!They are redder than any frog I've ever owned or seen.My escudo are very red but it's a different color red(which are under the only leds I have).
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I am glad that they producing well for you keep pumping them out Thomas line is not easy to find nowadays
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Thanks Julio,As long as they're happy I guess they'll keep pumping them out.

Here is a tease from the black jeans.Unfortunately the female wasn't having her picture taken(typical women) Hopefully they will get going soon.
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Here's a couple shots of the fat happy papa.The tank shots didn't come out too good.I'll try and post some soon.Unfortunately I have some new broms to add,but I don't want to disturb them too much right now being that they seem happy enough to keep breeding.I don't want to stress them out or change the environment alot until they take a break.They have been beating up the broms a bit,but that's a good thing!
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They still look as bright as when I had them
I am sure the black jeans will get going soon
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