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Old 02-25-2012, 08:15 PM
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for all of you who have heard about these new pums but have not seen them, here ya go!

my personal favorite since getting into obligates....

I have also moved them into a heavily planted 20gal long for second part of qt as they seem to like it way over their qt tubs where I hardly ever saw them feed....
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Nice looking. They look a lot like escudo? I love that one that is all blue like that.

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escudos on roids! theres some that are light blue, with very heavy speckling, and red heads. amazing variability
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Old 02-25-2012, 09:03 PM
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Absolutely stunning, hopefully those who have them can get them going...Good luck everyone, I will be keeping an eye on the classifieds!
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thanks
I think they will breed like crazies once theyre set to go.
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I'm assuming all the different color variations should be kept together and bred together, just not with other import lines?
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I'm assuming all the different color variations should be kept together and bred together, just not with other import lines?
This import is the only one currently in the country.
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They look similar to punta clara, wonder whether they are close populations.
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I officially love esperanza now
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I bought some of them in Europe, looking exactly the same.
They had a variation from almost completely blue to purplish to escudo like and everything between, with and without small spots.
Labeled them Punta clara tho.
Just found the first tadpoles in the bromeliads
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Tremendous variation among that population wish more ppl kept them and similar in ammount of variation to the punta Clara local
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ooohhh Wesley...nice photos man!!
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I want this kind of pumilio...... where can I get some?

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They're certainly stunning, and I agree on the fantastic photography there Wesley!

I'm curious about their size, in comparison to some of the other morphs, like the true darkland form...escudo....or are they bigger?

Very exciting at any rate! Good luck with these guys!
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Beautiful shots Wesley!
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They are 20-21mm I want to say. Theyre alot bigger than escudo and dL...
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This import is the only one currently in the country.
Thanks, for some reason I thought there were people in the u.s. who were working with these already.
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Tremendous variation among that population wish more ppl kept them and similar in ammount of variation to the punta Clara local
I agree. I wish people would keep escudos in a similar manor as well.
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Thanks, for some reason I thought there were people in the u.s. who were working with these already.
Sidney (Cairo11) had been working with Esperanza prior to this import, I was under the impression there had been a previous import.
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Nice, the blue looks awesome.
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I agree. I wish people would keep escudos in a similar manor as well.
I believe the general consensus on escudos is that they can and should be mixed. Here is a recent post explaining why...

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Those have some crazy color schemes going on! Hopefully F1's will be available in a few months.

I've seen others that are almost a pink or light purple color, very cool.
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Some shots for diversity:



















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First froglets are emerging so i thought to share them in the topic.



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First froglets are emerging so i thought to share them in the topic.



very very nice! what pattern/color are the parents? I should be seeing froglets walk out in a few weeks!
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And another escudo/blue jeans look-a-like found



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The parents are the frogs in my previous pics, they are rather purplish, one with spots, the others without.
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I guess I am mostly curious how the first ever legal import of esperanza into the USA comes in mid February and there are froglets in tanks already from 'them'??

They not from this permitted import?

Mine were in QT until end of March and have only been in tanks [in fact only half of them are in tanks the rest are still in QT] a couple weeks.

Timing of froglets doesn't seem correct for this import.

No?

Unless of course you aint from the USA? which I cant tell from your profile :-)

which would explain this.... :-)
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I'm not from the US indeed
I bought them here in Holland, end of December if i remember correctly.
They were in quarantaine first and started breeding couple of days after putting them together in their final tank.
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^ well you are a few months ahead of us Wes.

Thanks for replying, and sorry if I came off....aggressively. I honestly was fishing a bit for US breeders with animals that predated the 2012 import and are therefore not from this one/only CITES known importation.

Keep us all posted, you take great pictures and I hope to share some froglet photos with you soon myself...

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Well those are some goodlooking healthy froglets wesley. Good job
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The parents are the frogs in my previous pics, they are rather purplish, one with spots, the others without.
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I'm generally not a fan of pums or smaller frogs in general, but those esperanza are beautiful. I love the variability. That purplish coloration is beautiful. Nice frogs all!!!
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I spoke with Wesley about 1.5 months ago and can verify that he's not in the US so these are NOT US smuggled frogs.
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He and shawn already confirmed that in above post... Wesley bought them in holland
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I'm not from the US indeed
I bought them here in Holland, end of December if i remember correctly.
They were in quarantaine first and started breeding couple of days after putting them together in their final tank.
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I hear that the smuggled frogs are even prettier than the legal ones.

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No problem Shawn, i shouldv'e used the option clarifying where i'm from.
It's done now

And Doug, thank you for clarifying i'm no US resident however

Hopefully you will be able to come up with some offspring pictures Shawn.
Still didn't see pictures of other couples, always curious how variable they turn out to be.

Do you know if and what the difference is between the buena esperanza and punta clara morph?
Since they are coming in as both, so it seems.
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Just thought I'd mention it because sometimes people remain overly suspicious.

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Do you know if and what the difference is between the buena esperanza and punta clara morph?
Since they are coming in as both, so it seems.
I've been waiting to hear a bit more about this too.
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Yes, buena esperanza is available for a while over here in Europe.
But the ones i've seen never had the deep red or purple coloration like the ones from the latest import.
I've seen a phot reportage by stemcellular on punta clara:
Oophaga pumilio - Punta Clara pictures by stemcellular - Photobucket

And a stream referring to the same looking frogs as Darkland- Tierra oscura.
Peninsula Aguacate (Tierra Oscura) - Oophaga Pumilio Dark Land Esperanza | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Perhaps another morph going under double names?
I know there are more being named differently, depending on who is cited on the names.
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