Fresh Import RFB Basti's - Dendroboard
Dendroboard

Go Back   Dendroboard > Dart Frogs > Species > Oophaga
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read Advertise


Support Our Sponsors
No Threads to Display.

facebook

Like Tree7Likes
  • 3 Post By markpulawski
  • 1 Post By hypostatic
  • 1 Post By Judy S
  • 1 Post By markpulawski
  • 1 Post By markpulawski

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2013, 08:11 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sarasota, Florida
Posts: 3,933
Thanks: 43
Thanked 260 Times in 162 Posts
Default Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Here is a pic of my male RFB Basti's just out of QT, putting him in the tank today after a rough week of treating, then a week of feeding out. I thought I was going to lose both but after Chytrid/Batryl treatments both responded well and started feeding like pigs, will get a pic of the female in a couple of days when I drop her in the tank, I wanted to separate for a few days to enhance their feeding.

Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2013, 08:14 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sarasota, Florida
Posts: 3,933
Thanks: 43
Thanked 260 Times in 162 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

And for those wondering there were only 6, I got the last 2 which I think are a pair....I just hope whoever got the other 4 realize what they are.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2013, 08:50 PM
oddlot's Avatar
Mod
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: south jersey
Posts: 3,337
Thanks: 16
Thanked 165 Times in 134 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Nice looking frog Mark.I'm glad you were able to pull them through!
Reply With Quote
 
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2013, 09:17 PM
MD_Frogger's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,025
Thanks: 11
Thanked 36 Times in 22 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Verified local specific RFB? It's like the holy grail of basti's coming to fruition! Pretty but they look like any other basti though :/.
__________________
I don't keep fat frogs...I keep healthy frogs.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2013, 09:33 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sarasota, Florida
Posts: 3,933
Thanks: 43
Thanked 260 Times in 162 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Quote:
Originally Posted by MD_Frogger View Post
Verified local specific RFB? It's like the holy grail of basti's coming to fruition! Pretty but they look like any other basti though :/.
I have not seen an import Basti that looked like these for about 6 years, outside of ones I acquired in a trade, seeing lots of them in person one would appreciate the nuance of difference between these and the several hundred imported over the last several years.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2013, 09:39 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Tampa/Sarasota Fl.
Posts: 1,722
Thanks: 6
Thanked 21 Times in 19 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Definately not like all others. Mark, what are their undersides like?
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2013, 09:54 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sarasota, Florida
Posts: 3,933
Thanks: 43
Thanked 260 Times in 162 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

The one pictured has the same red color through the throat area with an all white belly, the hopeful female has an all white underside (with no dark throat spot). I will get pics of hopeful her tomorrow....honestly Ali I wish all Basti's did look like this. Real clean red/orange with white feet and bright white undersides, solid coloring on top....bold and beautiful, between those and Drago Colons, not sure which is my favorite.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2013, 10:00 PM
FroggyKnight's Avatar
TWI/ASN
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Washington
Posts: 1,950
Thanks: 304
Thanked 169 Times in 158 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Stunning frogs! Get those guys breeding
__________________
Living in a frogger's paradise

Imis, vanzos, variabilis, fants, leucs, tincs, terribs, pumilio
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2013, 10:00 PM
MD_Frogger's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,025
Thanks: 11
Thanked 36 Times in 22 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

I guess that was too much of a blanket statement. I'm just wondering what the difference is for instance between your verified guy and say this guy I kept a while back:




I also had another one that was much more similar to your male but I just can't find the pic.

Either way...if I were to keep a more "common" Oophaga it would with out a doubt be basti's. Their beautifully colored variabilty can only be rivaled by the Branco IMO. Hope they breed for you Mark. It would be nice to inject some verified RFB into the hobby. I'm sure a lot of vets are envious of your addition .
__________________
I don't keep fat frogs...I keep healthy frogs.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2013, 10:22 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sarasota, Florida
Posts: 3,933
Thanks: 43
Thanked 260 Times in 162 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Ali if a group of 10 came in like yours pictured with little variability it would be a good bet they were RFB. They did come in mixed with other locale's for at least a couple of years mostly during the initial Panama imports, sadly they have been excluded over the last 5 or 6 years. Great frogs, slightly smaller than Cemetary's and similar locale's but consistent with all red bodies (some would argue orange), small spots and bright white underbellies. A morph not truly appreciated until after the imports had stopped. I could pick out 15 or 20 in a 50 frog shipment around 2004 or 2005 and several of those were sent to ABG during this time. I hear they survive in the canopy on one of the rain forest rooms at ABG to this day.
I would also suggest I have not seen one like your picture imported in quite a while either, I did sell a pair or 2 up your way around 2008 or so, could those have been those frogs?
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2013, 10:30 PM
MD_Frogger's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,025
Thanks: 11
Thanked 36 Times in 22 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Your timeline is spot on. I acquired that guy through Chris Dulaney of the second iteration of Dart Frog Depot who acquired him when he bought the business. If I recall correctly he was indeed a 2004 import. That was before my start in the hobby so I'm not sure how many other like him came in. I guess you are right though, of the limited recent imports I've seen(you seem to have access to all the imports, especially the unique ones) none really are smaller, bright and fine spotted like your male.
__________________
I don't keep fat frogs...I keep healthy frogs.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2013, 10:44 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Tampa/Sarasota Fl.
Posts: 1,722
Thanks: 6
Thanked 21 Times in 19 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

I am having the same issue with the older imports. Mine are definitely not cemetery, but not verified RFB.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2013, 11:24 PM
TWI/ASN
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,073
Thanks: 74
Thanked 160 Times in 127 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Those look great! I'll be back in Red Frog Beach in a few months, and one of my goals is to check out the frogs in between the cemetery and rfb populations to see if there is intergrade or a clearly defined separation between the two. I could also try to measure the sizes of frogs in each population to see if one type is smaller on average than the other. If there's anything else you guys can think of (that's relatively simple) that I could do there to help shed some light on the differences between the two (and possibly which are in the hobby), please let me know! They are stunning for sure, and I'd be interested to see if the offspring keep the same pattern and coloring as the adults.
Bryan
__________________
azureus, leucs, green/ bronze auratus, Costa Rican auratus, Iquitos red-orange vents, mancreek pumilio, Toboga Island auratus
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Baltimore Bryan For This Useful Post:
stu&shaz (01-01-2014)
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2013, 11:28 PM
MD_Frogger's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,025
Thanks: 11
Thanked 36 Times in 22 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

My red guy threw no to fine spots with each offspring he produced and a couple of his mates were for sure cemetery locals. This has no scientific justification but maybe the RFB are an intermediary between the smaller salt creeks and larger cemetery? Is this geographically possible?
__________________
I don't keep fat frogs...I keep healthy frogs.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 12-30-2013, 12:27 AM
hypostatic's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: NYC/NJ
Posts: 2,393
Thanks: 118
Thanked 216 Times in 191 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Quote:
Originally Posted by markpulawski View Post
And for those wondering there were only 6, I got the last 2 which I think are a pair....I just hope whoever got the other 4 realize what they are.
Well, I for one think it would be a great injustice if you didn't post pictures of all of them on the thread!
Baltimore Bryan likes this.
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 12-30-2013, 01:10 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 320
Thanks: 4
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Quote:
Originally Posted by MD_Frogger View Post
My red guy threw no to fine spots with each offspring he produced and a couple of his mates were for sure cemetery locals. This has no scientific justification but maybe the RFB are an intermediary between the smaller salt creeks and larger cemetery? Is this geographically possible?
That kind of what these guys kinda sorta seem like to me..whatever they are:

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/oop...take-stab.html

Way smaller than than Cemetery...white bellies...not so many spots but a few.
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 12-30-2013, 02:17 AM
oddlot's Avatar
Mod
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: south jersey
Posts: 3,337
Thanks: 16
Thanked 165 Times in 134 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Quote:
Originally Posted by hypostatic View Post
Well, I for one think it would be a great injustice if you didn't post pictures of all of them on the thread!
He said he would take a pic of the hopeful girl tomorrow and the other 4 were gone before he bought them.
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 12-30-2013, 02:52 AM
hypostatic's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: NYC/NJ
Posts: 2,393
Thanks: 118
Thanked 216 Times in 191 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Ah, i misread then. Guess I was just a little too excited about seeing pictures of such beautiful frogs
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 12-31-2013, 12:40 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Union Bridge, MD
Posts: 3,076
Thanks: 412
Thanked 127 Times in 121 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

can you share your protocol for your treatment for the Chytrid/Batryl treatment--duration, method, etc. I can understand the implications for recommendations to others...but know what YOU do seems to be okay....especially in light of recent threads about the issue of compromised frogs...thanks if possible to share...
FroggyKnight likes this.
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 12-31-2013, 12:52 AM
FroggyKnight's Avatar
TWI/ASN
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Washington
Posts: 1,950
Thanks: 304
Thanked 169 Times in 158 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

You beat me to it Judy! I was going to ask about his procedures as well
__________________
Living in a frogger's paradise

Imis, vanzos, variabilis, fants, leucs, tincs, terribs, pumilio
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 12-31-2013, 12:30 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sarasota, Florida
Posts: 3,933
Thanks: 43
Thanked 260 Times in 162 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy S View Post
can you share your protocol for your treatment for the Chytrid/Batryl treatment--duration, method, etc. I can understand the implications for recommendations to others...but know what YOU do seems to be okay....especially in light of recent threads about the issue of compromised frogs...thanks if possible to share...
The Batryl is a syringe I get from a friend in the import business, after losing frogs during 1 import he ID'd a bacterial infection and with the use of Batryl actually saved the remainder of the frogs, I don't know the solution strength but I am sure it is a mix of Batryl and water but I put 1 drop on the back of the frog per day (which usually turns into 2 - 3 drops) for 6 to 7 days. As for the Chytrid I dissolve 2 different antifungal meds into warm water and bathe the frog for about a minute, totally submerging 3 or 4 times during that minute....this is a rough treatment for the frogs as near the end of the bath they become very unresponsive and I have actually had 1 animal die at the end of a treatment. I do this 2 times 3 to 4 days apart.
I don't advocate anyone use my methods, unscientific and unproven but they just happen to work for me. For me the best thing you can do with frogs is observe them, if not acting normal act, if acting normal keep observing. I do a Chytrid treatment on all frogs due to the fact they can act normal up to a day or 2 before they die and from what I hear they can carry it now without dying. Antibacterial I would only use on frogs not acting normal as the meds knock out the good bacteria with the bad
I certainly suggest people get their frogs tested and then if need be treated by a vet, hopefully treatment is not necessary, that's what we all hope for when receiving frogs.
Sticky Fingers likes this.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to markpulawski For This Useful Post:
Judy S (12-31-2013)
  #22 (permalink)  
Old 01-01-2014, 02:36 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sarasota, Florida
Posts: 3,933
Thanks: 43
Thanked 260 Times in 162 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

As promised pics of the hopeful female


And the tank the female just went in to join the other

hypostatic likes this.

Last edited by markpulawski; 01-01-2014 at 02:39 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to markpulawski For This Useful Post:
hypostatic (01-01-2014)
  #23 (permalink)  
Old 01-01-2014, 03:17 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Tampa/Sarasota Fl.
Posts: 1,722
Thanks: 6
Thanked 21 Times in 19 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Very nice Mark! Those are sweet.
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old 01-01-2014, 03:27 PM
whitethumb's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 1,162
Thanks: 26
Thanked 40 Times in 38 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

lovely... i love the stokak brom and the vanilla vine. you wouldn't happen to have any more?
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old 01-01-2014, 03:32 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Vale of Evesham, worcestershire,England
Posts: 915
Thanks: 110
Thanked 133 Times in 96 Posts
Default Re: Fresh Import RFB Basti's

Wonderful to see them with you Mark,lets hope they are a pair and you can get them going.Thankyou also for the treatment regime,if you ever get chance to find out the baytril strength I would love to know.

Happy new year to you sir thanks for all the help you have given us,with our collection

Beautiful frogs ,what can I say

Stu and Shaz
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
rfb frogsoftheworld Food & Feeding 5 01-29-2008 03:40 AM
Alternative RFB media mix flyangler18 Food & Feeding 4 12-28-2007 12:37 AM
RFB ccc Food & Feeding 4 06-07-2007 08:34 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT. The time now is 05:44 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.