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I am setting up a Native Red Backed Salamander vivarium, i was wondering besides northern madienhair fern, Brittle Bladder and moss what plants do i need? its an oregon setup, the scale is each 2x2 square is 1 inch. the bottom right corner will have a sand and water less than 3/4 "
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It will have 12 diff ferns, 1 male and 3 female red backed salamanders. It is a ten gallon
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I just found a bunch under a rock yesterday.
I always wanted to set something up for these guys.

Very cool topic.
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How do you keep them? Can you give me info on what there habitat looks like, do you have pictures
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I don`t keep them, they can be found under rocks all over the place around here.
The soil was moist with some leaf litter.

Sorry not much info to share.
But I was wondering if they need a dormant period?
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Idk, I'm from Minnesota so... I will collect them and ship them back home. I don't think they do
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There is a nice selaginella from here that is found in the same area as these salamanders, as well as polypodium (they are on trees mostly but in some places on the ground!). And maidenhairs are so beautiful, but in my experience it is difficult to keep them in terrariums. There's some nice thallose liverworts and a fern that stays small and does well in high humidity called Asplenium trichomanes. It is widespread and grows well on rocks in addition to soil or moss.

I have not kept this salamander but I would guess that cooler is better. In college I worked in a cool room housing sallies and it was kept at 55 I think, and everything seemed to do well at that temperature. There might be some info on these guys at caudata.org if you have not checked that out.
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So, the spleenwort, saleginella, what about gold backed ferns?
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what would be the optimal temp, what to feed, misting, humidity, i might do korean rock ferns, japanese painted ferns and some baby tears
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Or the other option is 2-3 of these 12 species Adiantum aleuticum (Northern Maidenhair Fern), Athyrium filix-femina (Lady Fern), Blechum spicant (Deer Fern), Botrychium multifidum (Leathery Grape-Fern), Cystopteris fragilis (Brittle Bladder Fern), Dryopteris arguta (Wood Fern), Dryopteris expansa (Spreading Wood Fern), Gymnocarpium Dryopteris (Oak Fern), Pentagramma triangularis (Gold-back Fern), Polypodium glycyrrhiza (Licorice Fern), Polystichum munitum (Sword Fern), Pteridium aquilinium (Bracken Fern)
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I've kept red backs in my classroom for about a year before I released them. My set up was simple. 2 1/2 gallon tank with a piece of glass for the cover (keeps the humidity high), some local moss (I live about 25 miles north of NYC) and piece of bark for them to hide under. I agree with the previous post, they should be kept on the cooler side but, my classroom did get up into the seventies with no ill affect. I fed them flightless drosophila but, they'll eat pin head crickets or any other small invert. They're fossorial and will make their own tunnels through the substrate. I found that once they were established, they'd sit just inside a tunnel and with a little misting and some fruit flies, they would come out and snap them up. Very cool little critters.
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so i would never see them, how many in a 10 gallon
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I wouldn't expect to see them out and about all that often. Mine came out after misting and offering them food. I would think you could keep a half dozen in a ten gallon. I don't know if they are territorial though. I kept two in the small 2 1/2 gallon tank with no problems.
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I've never kept them (I'm in texas so prolly be kinda hard to get one) but I did look up their husbandry once and know a few people who keep them

First off they don't need the water feature, they never touch water in the wild, most of their life cycle is spent under rocks or in a rotting log (where they rear their young).

Second from what I read the females can be territorial and need about a 1' square territory around their rock to be happy (more would probably be better).

As far as what they eat it's probably going to be the same as darts, small insects. They hunt nocturnally usually. I would definitely get a culture of springs and isos going in the viv so that you have everything nice n clean (and also as supplemental feeders). Probably keep them on an ABG mix with leaf litter topping it off and keep it nice and wet especially around their rock homes. If you want them to breed you will probably want a half rotting log to stick halfway down in the substrate (I know this is how they breed in the wild, there might be simpler ways to do it in captivity).

Just go into this knowing also they are very shy and you will probably never see them.
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So how many males to females in a 10 gallon?
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Actually i take that back, seems 4-6 would work in a 10g but a separate hiding spot for each is a must and try and spread them evenly. BTW here is basically the only care sheet for them in existence Caudata Culture Species Entry - Plethodon cinereus & serratus
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Okay, but how many males per ten gallon to how many females
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I don't think ratios seem to matter so much as they get their mini territory to stake out. Like I said not much on these guys and that's like the only care sheet out there for them.
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I would highly recommend that you go to Caudata.org Newt and Salamander Forum and get the full details for this species, for the animals' health and comfort, you can get a lot of good info from some experts over there. I will say this, this species is temperate, so be prepared to have an AC unit at your disposal at all times so you can be sure the temp never gets over 65 F, and cooler is probably better

Also, for a 10 gallon tank, most of the plants you are looking at are WAY too big. Almost all of the ferns from that habitat in the PNW would fill that tank quickly, other than asplenium trichomanes.

Do a bit more online research by reading about this species, and some forum posting on caudata and you'll get what you need.

By the way, do you have a permit to collect this species?

edit- just noticed Rushthezeppelin linked you to a care sheet on caudata.
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I looked on Oregon dnr and they are one of three species where there not protected, so no I don't need a permit. Also dunn's salamnder and ensatina are also legal to collect in Oregon. I do have a question if I can transport them after collecting them from Oregon to Minnesota where I live?
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Ya they are incredibly prolific in some areas. One of the few sallies not on the decline in it's natural habitat.
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So I can collect the sals from Oregon and ship them to Minnesota and not get in trouble?
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I did food studies on several different salamnder species in college, springtails are a favorite of most of the smaller species.
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What temperature forest terrarium plants would be appropriate
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Oregon's herp laws are very progressive and nonregulatory...should not be an issue if you can collect them. I would just look and collect some small plants from around where you find the salamanders and give them a try.
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Okay, it won't be until this summer though
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Whats better and wills be more seen redbacks or ensatina salamnders
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I have kept these in the past, I kept about 60-70% humidity, and no water hole, if you keep enough super damp dark hiding places, they do fine. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A SECURE LID red backs can climb, and are escape artists. They actually do not even lay their eggs in or near water. Very interesting and fun pets. Good luck! (Greetings from Wisconsin)
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Since this thread has been resurrected, I guess it would be important to point out it is no longer legal to ship these animals across state lines as the OP intends to do, correct?

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You are correct. Here is a list of all newly regulated species.

The species are:
(1) Chioglossa lusitanica (golden striped salamander).
(2) Cynops chenggongensis (Chenggong fire-bellied newt).
(3) Cynops cyanurus (blue-tailed fire-bellied newt).
(4) Cynops ensicauda (sword-tailed newt).
(5) Cynops fudingensis (Fuding fire-bellied newt).
(6) Cynops glaucus (bluish grey newt, Huilan Rongyuan).
(7) Cynops orientalis (Oriental fire belly newt, Oriental fire-bellied newt).
(8) Cynops orphicus (no common name).
(9) Cynops pyrrhogaster (Japanese newt, Japanese fire-bellied newt).
(10) Cynops wolterstorffi (Kunming Lake newt).
(11) Euproctus montanus (Corsican brook salamander).
(12) Euproctus platycephalus (Sardinian brook salamander).
(13) Hydromantes ambrosii (Ambrosi salamander).
(14) Hydromantes brunus (limestone salamander).
(15) Hydromantes flavus (Mount Albo cave salamander).
(16) Hydromantes genei (Sardinian cave salamander).
(17) Hydromantes imperialis (imperial cave salamander).
(18) Hydromantes italicus (Italian cave salamander).
(19) Hydromantes platycephalus (Mount Lyell salamander).
(20) Hydromantes sarrabusensis (no common name).
(21) Hydromantes shastae (Shasta salamander).
(22) Hydromantes strinatii or Speleomantes strinatii (French cave salamander, Strinati’s cave salamander).
(23) Hydromantes supramontis (Supramonte cave salamander).
(24) Hynobius abei (Abe’s salamander).
(25) Hynobius amakusaensis (Amakusa-sanshouo).
(26) Hynobius amjiensis (Anji salamander).
(27) Hynobius arisanensis (Arisan hynobid).
(28) Hynobius boulengeri (Odaigahara salamander).
(29) Hynobius chinensis (Chinese salamander).
(30) Hynobius dunni (Oita salamander).
(31) Hynobius formosanus (Taiwan salamander).
(32) Hynobius fucus or Hynobius fuca (Taiwan lesser salamander).
(33) Hynobius glacialis (Nanhu salamander).
(34) Hynobius guabangshanensis (no common name).
(35) Hynobius hidamontanus (Hakuba salamander).
(36) Hynobius hirosei (no common name).
(37) Hynobius katoi (Akaishi sansho-uo).
(38) Hynobius kimurae (Hida salamander).
(39) Hynobius leechii (northeastern China hynobiid salamander).
(40) Hynobius lichenatus (northeast salamander).
(41) Hynobius maoershanensis (no common name).
(42) Hynobius naevius (blotched salamander).
(43) Hynobius nebulosus (misty salamander).
(44) Hynobius nigrescens (black salamander).
(45) Hynobius okiensis (Oki salamander).
(46) Hynobius osumiensis (Osumi-sanshouo).
(47) Hynobius quelpaertensis (no common name).
(48) Hynobius retardatus (Hokkaido salamander).
(49) Hynobius shinichisatoi (Sobo-sanshouo).
(50) Hynobius sonani (Sonan’s hynobiid).
(51) Hynobius stejnegeri (Bekko Sansho-uo).
(52) Hynobius takedai (Hokuriku Sansho-uo).
(53) Hynobius tokyoensis (Tokyo salamander).
(54) Hynobius tsuensis (Tsushima Sansho-uo).
(55) Hynobius turkestanicus (Turkestanian salamander).
(56) Hynobius yangi (no common name).
(57) Hynobius yatsui (no common name).
(58) Hynobius yiwuensis (Yiwu hynobiid).
(59) Ichthyosaura alpestris (alpine newt).
(60) Lissotriton boscai (Bosca’s newt).
(61) Lissotriton helveticus (palmate newt).
(62) Lissotriton italicus (Italian newt).
(63) Lissotriton kosswigi (Triton pontue de Kosswig).
(64) Lissotriton lantzi (no common name).
(65) Lissotriton montandoni (Carpathian newt).
(66) Lissotriton vulgaris (smooth newt).
(67) Neurergus crocatus (no common name).
(68) Neurergus derjugini or Neurergus microspilotus (Kurdistan newt).
(69) Neurergus kaiseri (Lorestan newt, Luristan newt, emperor spotted newt, Zagros newt, Iranian harlequin newt, kaiser newt).
(70) Neurergus strauchii (no common name).
(71) Notophthalmus meridionalis (black-spotted newt).
(72) Notophthalmus perstriatus (striped newt).
(73) Notophthalmus viridescens (eastern newt).
(74) Onychodactylus fischeri (long-tailed clawed salamander).
(75) Onychodactylus fuscus (Tadami clawed salamander).
(76) Onychodactylus intermedius (Bandai clawed salamander).
(77) Onychodactylus japonicus (Japanese clawed salamander).
(78) Onychodactylus kinneburi (Shikoku clawed salamander).
(79) Onychodactylus koreanus (Korai-Sansyouo).
(80) Onychodactylus nipponoborealis (Riben Bei Zhaoni).
(81) Onychodactylus tsukubaensis (Tsukuba clawed salamander).
(82) Onychodactylus zhangyapingi (Jilin Zhaoni).
(83) Onychodactylus zhaoermii (Liaoning).
(84) Paramesotriton caudopunctatus (spot-tailed warty newt).
(85) Paramesotriton chinensis (Chinese warty newt).
(86) Paramesotriton deloustali (no common name).
(87) Paramesotriton fuzhongensis (no common name).
(88) Paramesotriton guanxiensis (Guangxi warty newt).
(89) Paramesotriton hongkongensis (no common name).
(90) Paramesotriton labiatus (spotless stout newt).
(91) Paramesotriton longliensis (no common name).
(92) Paramesotriton maolanensis (no common name).
(93) Paramesotriton qixilingensis (no common name).
(94) Paramesotriton wulingensis (no common name).
(95) Paramesotriton yunwuensis (no common name).
(96) Paramesotriton zhijinensis (no common name).
(97) Plethodon ainsworthi (Catahoula salamander, bay springs salamander).
(98) Plethodon albagula (western slimy salamander).
(99) Plethodon amplus (Blue Ridge gray-cheeked salamander).
(100) Plethodon angusticlavius (Ozark salamander, Ozark zigzag salamander).
(101) Plethodon asupak (Scott Bar salamander).
(102) Plethodon aureolus (Tellico salamander).
(103) Plethodon caddoensis (Caddo Mountain salamander).
(104) Plethodon chattahoochee (Chattahoochee slimy salamander).
(105) Plethodon cheoah (Cheoah bald salamander).
(106) Plethodon chlorobryonis (Atlantic Coast slimy salamander).
(107) Plethodon cinereus (eastern red-backed salamander, redback salamander, salamandre rayée, red-backed salamander).
(108) Plethodon cylindraceus (white-spotted slimy salamander).
(109) Plethodon dorsalis (zigzag salamander, northern zigzag salamander).
(110) Plethodon dunni (Dunn’s salamander).
(111) Plethodon electromorphus (northern ravine salamander).
(112) Plethodon elongatus (Del Norte salamander).
(113) Plethodon fourchensis (Fourche Mountain salamander).
(114) Plethodon glutinosus (slimy salamander, northern slimy salamander).
(115) Plethodon grobmani (southeastern slimy salamander).
(116) Plethodon hoffmani (valley and ridge salamander).
(117) Plethodon hubrichti (Peaks of Otter salamander).
(118) Plethodon idahoensis (Coeur d’Alene salamander).
(119) Plethodon jordani (Appalachian salamander, red-cheeked salamander, Jordan's salamander).
(120) Plethodon kentucki (Kentucky salamander, Cumberland Plateau salamander).
(121) Plethodon kiamichi (Kiamichi slimy salamander).
(122) Plethodon kisatchie (Louisiana slimy salamander).
(123) Plethodon larselli (Larch Mountain salamander).
(124) Plethodon meridianus (South Mountain gray-cheeked salamander, southern gray-cheeked salamander).
(125) Plethodon metcalfi (southern gray-cheeked salamander).
(126) Plethodon mississippi (Mississippi slimy salamander).
(127) Plethodon montanus (northern gray-cheeked salamander).
(128) Plethodon neomexicanus (Jemez Mountains salamander).
(129) Plethodon nettingi (Cheat Mountain salamander).
(130) Plethodon ocmulgee (Ocmulgee slimy salamander).
(131) Plethodon ouachitae (Rich Mountain salamander).
(132) Plethodon petraeus (Pigeon Mountain salamander).
(133) Plethodon punctatus (white-spotted salamander, cow knob salamander).
(134) Plethodon richmondi (southern ravine salamander, ravine salamander).
(135) Plethodon savannah (Savannah slimy salamander).
(136) Plethodon sequoyah (Sequoyah slimy salamander).
(137) Plethodon serratus (southern red-backed salamander).
(138) Plethodon shenandoah (Shenandoah salamander).
(139) Plethodon sherando (Big Levels salamander).
(140) Plethodon shermani (red-legged salamander).
(141) Plethodon stormi (Siskiyou Mountains salamander).
(142) Plethodon teyahalee (Southern Appalachian salamander).
(143) Plethodon vandykei (Van Dyke’s salamander).
(144) Plethodon variolatus (South Carolina slimy salamander).
(145) Plethodon vehiculum (western red-backed salamander).
(146) Plethodon ventralis (southern zigzag salamander).
(147) Plethodon virginia (Shenandoah Mountain salamander).
(148) Plethodon websteri (Webster’s salamander).
(149) Plethodon wehrlei (Wehrle’s salamander).
(150) Plethodon welleri (Weller’s salamander).
(151) Plethodon yonahlossee (Yonahlossee salamander).
(152) Pleurodeles nebulosus (no common name).
(153) Pleurodeles poireti (Algerian newt).
(154) Pleurodeles waltl (Spanish newt).
(155) Salamandra algira (Algerian salamander).
(156) Salamandra atra (alpine salamander).
(157) Salamandra corsica (Corsican fire salamander).
(158) Salamandra infraimmaculata (no common name).
(159) Salamandra lanzai (Lanza’s alpine salamander, Salamandra di Lanza).
(160) Salamandra salamandra (fire salamander).
(161) Salamandrella keyserlingii (Siberian newt).
(162) Salamandrella tridactyla (no common name).
(163) Salamandrina perspicillata (northern spectacled salamander).
(164) Salamandrina terdigitata (southern spectacled salamander).
(165) Siren intermedia (lesser siren).
(166) Siren lacertina (greater siren).
(167) Taricha granulosa (rough-skinned newt).
(168) Taricha rivularis (red-bellied newt).
(169) Taricha sierrae (Sierra newt).
(170) Taricha torosa (California newt).
(171) Triturus carnifex (Italian crested newt).
(172) Triturus cristatus (great crested newt).
(173) Triturus dobrogicus (Danube crested newt).
(174) Triturus hongkongensis (no common name)
(175) Triturus ivanbureschi (Balkan-Anatolian crested newt, Buresch’s crested newt).
(176) Triturus karelinii (Southern crested newt).
(177) Triturus macedonicus (no common name).
(178) Triturus marmoratus (marbled newt).
(179) Triturus pygmaeus (pygmy marbled newt).
(180) Triturus vittatus (no common name).
(181) Tylototriton anguliceps (angular-headed newt).
(182) Tylototriton asperrimus (black knobby newt).
(183) Tylototriton broadoridgus (no common name).
(184) Tylototriton dabienicus (no common name).
(185) Tylototriton daweishanensis (no common name).
(186) Tylototriton hainanensis (Hainan knobby newt).
(187) Tylototriton kweichowensis (red-tailed knobby newt).
(188) Tylototriton liuyangensis (no common name).
(189) Tylototriton lizhenchangi (Mangshan crocodile newt).
(190) Tylototriton notialis (no common name).
(191) Tylototriton panhai (no common name).
(192) Tylototriton pseudoverrucosus (southern Sichuan crocodile newt).
(193) Tylototriton shanjing (Yunnan newt).
(194) Tylototriton shanorum (no common name).
(195) Tylototriton taliangensis (Thailand newt).
(196) Tylototriton uyenoi (no common name).
(197) Tylototriton verrucosus (Himalayan newt).
(198) Tylototriton vietnamensis (no common name).
(199) Tylototriton wenxianensis (Wenxian knobby newt).
(200) Tylototriton yangi (Tiannan crocodile newt).
(201) Tylototriton ziegleri (Ziegler’s crocodile newt).

The species in question is in boldface print.

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Dang it!! :"""""(

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If you find a breeder, you can still ship eggs.
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