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Los3r 03-26-2013 07:44 PM

Slow azureus build.
 
A while ago a friend told me I could have one of her unused tanks so I could get the frogs I really want and today I was finally able to come down to pick it up at her place. This is probably gonna be a slow build. She says she thinks it's 50 gal. I'll get measurements once we get back to her place http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9148e586.jpg

Los3r 03-27-2013 12:40 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
Dimensions are 48x20x13

Judy S 03-27-2013 01:19 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
Is it glass or acrylic???

Los3r 03-27-2013 01:28 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
It is acrylic.

ICS523 03-27-2013 04:52 PM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
the tank is 54.025974 gallons

Thank you Google!

Los3r 03-27-2013 05:03 PM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
Forgot to post that yesterday and yes google is amazing x)

Los3r 03-28-2013 12:58 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps01ecd8b3.jpg Gave the tank a thorough cleaning. Has a few scuffs and scratches, but thankfully, most are on the back :)

Los3r 03-31-2013 12:31 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...psd17d0f9a.jpg Picked up a stand and filter today. Gonna pick up supplies for false bottom next weekend :)

Amphinityfrogs 03-31-2013 03:20 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
Looks like its gonna be a nice decoration to the house.

Los3r 03-31-2013 03:23 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
I certainly hope so :)

Los3r 04-02-2013 12:45 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps432143e0.jpghttp://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0b2440bf.jpg Had some time before work so I went and bought supplies. DiDidn't buy enough foam apparently x)

kitcolebay 04-02-2013 01:36 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
What do you have in mind for the bottom? Just at a glance, I'd say that you don't need a false bottom that tall unless you're really wanting a lot of height to it. That's a lot of unused space. If you do want it at that height, then I would definitely encourage you to add a lot more support to it. I imagine the weight of damp substrate would collapse or seriously bow what you have there.

Definitely a nice starter tank with lots of potential. Looking forward to seeing how it develops! Subscribed! :)

-Chris

Los3r 04-02-2013 01:39 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
Oh didn't think of the weight of the substrate! Gonna be kind of a palu. Gonna keep neon tetas and maybe some corys. Guess It's a good thing I bought so many pvc pipes x)

Los3r 04-02-2013 01:47 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps507e01e0.jpg quick run to home depot and I picked up another can of foam. And while it dries I'll make more supports for the bottom. :D

kitcolebay 04-02-2013 01:48 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
I imagine you may already know, but a couple things to keep in mind...

-You'll want to use some screen or mesh to keep your substrate out of the water.

-Design your water feature with slopes and easy access for any clumsy frogs to get out of the water portion

-Make sure you have it sealed well, so no frogs can get under the false bottom.

I don't consider myself as one of the experienced members, but in my limited experience, that's a few quick thoughts that I'd be concerned with.

-Chris

You won't regret going very slow on the build and spending more time on the planning phase. It's much easier and cheaper to make changes to your design before actually trying to build it. If in doubt, toss the question out here and there's plenty of knowledgeable members that will help ya out!

Los3r 04-02-2013 01:56 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
I'm planning on having driftwood coming out of the water and onto the land portion in case someone decides to go swimming. I was gonna leave the false bottom open at the front so the fish could swim around underneath the land portion. Now I'm not so sure. I am definitely going to foam around the perimeter of it so they can't get in between the bottom and walls. :)

kitcolebay 04-02-2013 02:06 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
Generally, there is many different approaches that are taken for different aspects of the build. Research palu's on here and ask lots of questions if in doubt. There is no single correct way of doing anything, but people have learned that there are some things you definitely don't want to do;)!

If not positive on how you're constructing everything, then I recommend pausing the construction to plan, research, revise, research some more, and then plan some more:o. Then make more necessary adjustments as you go:p! Like I said, you won't regret it! With a nice size tank like that and the time/money invested in it, you'll definitely appreciate getting it mostly right the first time.:)

-Chris

Los3r 04-02-2013 04:02 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2dabce5b.jpg Foam is in place and added more supports. Forgot to buy black contact paper for the back so I'll have to do it tomorrow.

Nismo95 04-02-2013 07:44 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
Just an idea.. What if you were to avoid having the false bottom empty underneath so that the fish can swim freely.. I know already going against your idea.. but hear me out! take that section you have already made.. Maybe drop it down 2-3 inches and push it dead center.. maybe make it longer and skinnier.. And than you have a "U" type body of water.. Imagine the land is the inside of the U and the black line of it is the water section. you can than make the false bottom with sides so no frogs accidently go swimming and end up beneath the false bottom.. That could cause panic and stress and ultimately let them drown (imagine being trapped under the ice in a lake during winter) lol. look at it this way.. YOU have to choose.. Have a couple tetra's with less swimming space or run the risk of waking up to finding one of your smurfs under water :(

Either way, its your viv.. So build it the way YOU want.. this is one of my favorite palu's.. And it has the same land portion like I was trying to describe and give you a general idea.. I hope you enjoy it.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...m/DSC08192.jpg

Los3r 04-02-2013 03:14 PM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
That is neat looking. Guess I'll start cutting x) on the bright side, my future froggies will be safer with a design like that :D

Los3r 04-02-2013 03:35 PM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
I was also thinking that maybe I could block off the front with eggcrate instead. I think the neon tetras should be small enough to be able to swim through it if they choose, I could keep the same volume of water for healthier fish, and keep my frogs from drowning. Thoughts?

Los3r 04-02-2013 05:21 PM

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Nismo95 04-02-2013 07:39 PM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
I have personally seen my azureus take a dip in a water feature in their old viv. and they did not seem to care for it much. Mainly fell in. The water was roughly 3-4 inches deep and it was nothing but panic when the boy hit the water lol. Look at it this way, the smaller imitator species have drowned in film canisters. Small body of water, of course... this could be contributed to the lack of traction on wet plastic as well. Just stuff to weigh in. We had guppies in our water feature. It was about 1x2 feet length/width and lets just say 4 inches deep. Not a whole lot of water.. but the guppies thrived and bred once before we tore it down and I gave them away to my girlfriends mom. She now has a 10 gallon tank swarmed with guppy babies. lol. While more water MAY be nicer for the tetra's.. It probably isnt needed. Smaller water area may require more cleaning from time to time but like I said in my last post.. Id rather prevent froggie casualties than worry about a tetra. I love fish, have a 2000 gallon pond in the backyard.. But my frogs own my heart haha

Nismo95 04-02-2013 07:45 PM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
Also you mentioned covering the front of the egg crate, but still possibly allowing the tetras access.. Couple things to consider.. A) If the tetra's can get back there chances are eventually a frog, froglet, or tadpole will eventually find its way back there.. and B) What if a tetra goes back and cant find its way out? Likely resulting in death and fowling up the water pretty quick I would imagine.

Also, We always try our best to ensure there is no possible way a frog can get to certain areas when creating our vivs.. But given the space they are usually in. I like to imagine what goes on in their heads.. With Azureus its probably just food food food mating food food.. But what if they are tired of looking at the same walls of their vivs day in and day out? lol. I have seen a thread once before where some frogs bred and transported a tad to the water feature and the owner had no clue.. the frog morphed UNDER the eggcrate and the owner had to tear the bottom up to fetch it out without trying to totally destroy his viv. Not a task I personally would like to replicate.

Los3r 04-02-2013 09:38 PM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
I actually imagined the tadpole thing you just mentioned. And the whole fish dying in there and fouling up the water thing. So I cut down the supports for the bottom so I can build gravel up onto the bottom so that they still have a little pond with the filter I have and they can't get under there. I might not put any fish in cause I'm not sure there will be enough water. Won't know for sure till after I fill it but at least I'll know no one will get stuck. :http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5ff40438.jpg

Nismo95 04-02-2013 10:59 PM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
going to turn out pretty sweet. Didnt want to rain on your parade either! Just wanted to make sure you thought of all the possibilities before you dumped too much time and money into it just to tear it back down. Happens to me more than I care to admit.

Los3r 04-02-2013 11:02 PM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
I'd rather have my parade rained on than have dead frogs and fish x)

Nismo95 04-02-2013 11:38 PM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
Before you commit to doing it one way or the other. Now with the new idea's floating around why dont you take an afternoon/evening off and brainstorm. Maybe take what you wanted prior and what you know now and come up with something else. Don't settle just because you started already. Changes can be made with where you're at right now in the build. Take your time and enjoy it!

Los3r 04-03-2013 03:30 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...psc64aa545.jpg Started putting up coco fiber on the background. Seems to be a bit of a pain in the ass to stick so I'm gonna buy gorilla glue after work tomorrow and trying that.

Los3r 04-04-2013 04:32 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps30169c12.jpg Gorilla glue worked better than silicone. Just need to figure out the top. Suggestions?

Los3r 04-05-2013 02:30 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps30308f22.jpgOrdered abg and leaf litter from josh's frogs last night and got the pond up and planted :D

blehrer 04-05-2013 02:28 PM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
Looking good so far. How are you transitioning from the water to the land? That's the biggest struggle I have with my palu. I went with a hard divider at the end...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9...o/P1040025.JPG

Just another idea if you want to keep fish. The water here is about 6" after the 2" of rock on the bottom.

Los3r 04-05-2013 03:51 PM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
For now, I've got the gravel built up onto the false bottom. Not too thrilled about that cause then I've got almost no water flow under the bottom. A friend at work suggested that I make a divider out of egg crate and cover it in breeder netting. Should keep anything out from under the bottom.

Los3r 04-11-2013 02:21 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
Plants came in! Korean rock fern, wandering jew bolivian callisia repens, philodendron autumn, black rabbits foot fern davallia trichomanoides, columnea bonfire, pilea microphylla artillery, dieffenbachia starbright and 3 unknown broms.

Los3r 04-11-2013 03:21 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps99bdb1fc.jpg Female veiltail betta. Bought her cause I felt sorry for her swimming in a tiny little cup. Seems much happier now :D

mkitchen 04-12-2013 10:27 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Los3r (Post 833614)

What plants are those sticking out of the water?

Los3r 04-12-2013 12:20 PM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
Sold as a ribbon plant. Picked it up at petsmart.

Los3r 04-13-2013 01:51 AM

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rain dart 04-13-2013 02:08 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
:o:o:o:o:owow!

Los3r 04-13-2013 02:13 AM

Re: Slow azureus build.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rain dart (Post 836320)
:o:o:o:o:owow!

I hope that`s a good wow xD This is also the only way we can have plants in the house. My psychotic cat eats them all, including fake ones xD


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