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Old 05-28-2012, 02:30 PM
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Default Blue jeans pumilio transporting 2 tads

I caught my blue jeans tadpole climbing on to the back of one of the parents this morning. As I was reviewing the video, I noticed that the other bj was watering eggs. They have 3 clutches, including this batch that just hatched. These are European import blue jeans.

Does the male or female do the transporting? Or is it a shared parental responsibility?

Thanks for watching:-)


Not the best quality video, iPhone video.

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Old 05-28-2012, 02:44 PM
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Ok now, that was cool! Very nice shot.
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Old 05-28-2012, 04:01 PM
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Cool video, that always amazes me. How do they know to jump up on their back?!
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Old 05-28-2012, 04:12 PM
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Default Re: Blue jeans pumilio transporting 2 tads

Here is another video of my escudo with a tadpole on the back. It's very cool to watch tad transporting.

I hope to witness my other pumilios transport soon as well.

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Very cool vids. Thanks for sharing. Best of luck. Sorry I could not be of any help.
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Does the male or female do the transporting? Or is it a shared parental responsibility?
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While there are occasional reports of males transporting tadpoles, in this species, the female transports the tadpoles and feeds them. In the wild, females do not feed tadpoles that they do not place themselves (and even an inch of difference is enough for them to ignore the tadpole), but there are a few anecdotal reports in captive frogs of the female feeding tadpoles they didn't place themselves (and many where they did not..).

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While there are occasional reports of males transporting tadpoles, in this species, the female transports the tadpoles and feeds them. In the wild, females do not feed tadpoles that they do not place themselves (and even an inch of difference is enough for them to ignore the tadpole), but there are a few anecdotal reports in captive frogs of the female feeding tadpoles they didn't place themselves (and many where they did not..).

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I had a tad in a film can and the film can fell. I checked the tad and put it back up. Tried to get it in exactly the same place but could tell, later, that I was off by 3/4 of an inch or so. I didn't see mom feed it again and found that there was no tad in there after a while. Don't know if she moved it (it was still small) or abandoned it and it died.

Anyway, I hope this isn't a hijack, but, as far as males not assisting with feeding of tads; would it be ok to cycle down a pair by moving the male because the female will move and eggs and feed the tads without him? My pair of pums has been going, non-stop, for over a year and a half and they haven't slowed down with my attempts to cool their jets. I would like to give them a bit of a break.
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Actually, I don't mind anecdotal information provided it is given the appropriate level of weight.... particularly when people attempt to compare it to documented information.

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those are incredible vids. i love the first one how u actually see the tadpole wiggle up on toe frogs back. nature it incredible
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Thanks you guys! I just "happened" to stare at my tanks when I saw momma bj near the eggs then I scrambled to find my phone hoping capture the moment and I did.

I hope they make it to becoming froglets. I'm just afraid because my broms are temporarily held by suction cups. Actually, I was on the process of attaching the broms to a drift wood. I took brom #1 from the tank and zip tied it to the wood and found the eggs. Needless to say, I took it off the drift wood and put it back in place with the suction cup. Good thing the parents still took care of the eggs.

I hope they won't kill the 2-month old froglet that's in the same tank. Haven't seen it for a few weeks now. For those of you with blue jeans, have you noticed any aggression towards their babies?

Kris, what's your secret on your breeding success? On average, how many tadpoles/eggs make it to being a froglet? Also, what's your average, egg clutch size?

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No real secret. They do all the work. Typically they lay 3 clutches with 6 or 7 eggs in each clutch. They move most of them to broms or film cans and start feeding them. I just support the effort with flies and springs for the parents.

Even with all those eggs and tads, only 3-4 crawl out at the end. I can tell when they are coming because the parents start laying eggs again.

The latest froglets are only a few weeks old but are already fighting with the parents. So, they're getting their own tank as soon as the silicone cures. I might set one up for dad too, so the parents can have a rest.

Love these frogs. Mind you, mine are El Dorados. Maybe they are just a particularly randy frog.
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With my bastimentos and caucheros, I dont' seen any aggression to the froglets until they are pretty close to adult size (and that is usually only when the froglets get too close to a clutch). I've had as many as 1.2.3 pumilio in a 20 gallon verticle at one time.


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I haven't seen this previously, until they were older, but this family has problems. The male chases around a froglet that lives high up in the tank and another froglet chases the female around (which is actually funny to watch; a tiny little froglet chasing that big fat momma).

I'm guessing they've reduced the microfauna to a point that they are competing? Don't know. I add springs daily and feed ffs but my spring cultures haven't been doing well lately.
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Default Re: Blue jeans pumilio transporting 2 tads

Awesome video.....I always assumed the tads wiggled up the back like that but is really cool to see it in your video....
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