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Ok, so my journey begins. I put these twins on the stand I had my original 40 breeder reef on and the hood fit right on. Currently the lights are 2 39w T5 ATI Aquablue bulbs (11K) but I'm going to add two more bulbs with 6500K T5 daylights in them. This will be a slow build for me due to summer winding down and work as well but I will post whenever I can.

The plan is to use the sliding door kits from Junglebox when he gets them ready, and one tank is going to have a focal butress type trunk with lots of plants and horizontal branches. The other I'd like to do as a rocky cliff wall with lots of broms. I'd like to do pums in one and vents in the other but I'll worry about that later. Feel free to add suggestions.

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That should be pretty sweet when finished. Are those t-5 currently on there?
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Very cool. Did you build the hood and stand yourself?
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I suggest you take off the glass separating the two in the middle and turn it into a big Viv LOL jk

You should get a 150w MH light and install it right in the middle of the hood. That should be more than enough light for both Vivs plus your Fluorescents on the sides. I think you have enough room to put fans up in there as well to cool things down.

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that should be4 a pretty sweet setup, wish i coudl do that at home
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I suggest you take off the glass separating the two in the middle and turn it into a big Viv LOL jk

You should get a 150w MH light and install it right in the middle of the hood. That should be more than enough light for both Vivs plus your Fluorescents on the sides. I think you have enough room to put fans up in there as well to cool things down.

Im subscribing to this! I can't wait to see the results
the T5s will give you a better light spread then a 150w Halide would and woudl not produce as much heat.
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Yeah I was suggesting to have both in there. The MH light is more intense as well. I have one in my viv and I get so much more growth and coloring with it than when I only had fluorescents installed in the past.
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Yeah I was suggesting to have both in there. The MH light is more intense as well. I have one in my viv and I get so much more growth and coloring with it than when I only had fluorescents installed in the past.
yeah both woudl be best, but the heat woudl be a killer, no doubt MH are the best bulbs out there when it comes to replicating the sun right now. Though some LEDs can challenge that, they are way too expensive right now.
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That should be pretty sweet when finished. Are those t-5 currently on there?
yes, they were on the reef tank but I will change them to 6500k bulbs and maybe add 2 more.
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Yeah, I built it for the reef tank. I used a 2x4 frame and covered it in 1/4 oak plywood then put the trim around it and stained it. Turned out nice for my first one. Kinda cool that both tanks will sit side-by-side on it.

I have 2 MH fixtures but I really didn't want the electric bill anymore and loosing the heat is a big plus IMO. I think T5's are awesome bulbs and if they can penetrate deep into water they shoud be good in a viv which is why I may add two more for 4 39w bulbs total. I may also use the 2 6500k with the Aquablues. I think it will give some nice color, I'll have to play around with it.

John, did you get any frogs in yours yet?

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not yet. I'm gonna start culturing FFs first then when it cools down over here I'll order the frogs
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Well, I decided to go the easier route and use greatstuff and some other adhesive for covering the foam. So I started playing around with some foam today making some shelves for the background and walls. Sad thing is the one can of greatstuff I picked up was defective and wouldn't release any foam so I have to go back in the morning and return it.



One I cut out the middle to carve out and make a bowl for soil for some plants.


I'm going to pick up some MAPP gas and start forming some PVC for the tree on the other tank maybe monday or tues and I'm going to get some 39w Giesemann 6000K bulbs ordered Tues also to get rid of that blue for now.

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Looking forward to this
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What are you going to do for the drainage? Are you gonna drill the bottom of the tanks or are you going to put them in the lower front of the tank?
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I think I'm going to go the lazy way and just use a 1 1/2 piece of PVC with a cap and silicone it and coat with peat. I may drill them though, I have a 3/4" holesaw from when I drilled the reef tank.
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Looking foreward to seeing this progress. They look awesome on the stand and hood!
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Thanks. *Note to self....expanding foam and gravity don't mix LOL.

Got some foam started.



And I have a bunch of these hydroponic baskets I'm gonna foam in for plants.


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Looking foreward to seeing this progress. They look awesome on the stand and hood!
Thanks. My wife thinks it's too tall but once it's planted she'll probably like it more.

I ordered the Giesemann 6000K bulbs today, the blue is a bit much. They didn't look as bad over the water though.

My question for everyone is.... did anyone ever notice that the silicone doesn't stick well to the cured shiny side of the Greatstuff? I was testing some of the greatstuff that dripped and after the slicone cured it peeled right off, but if I carved off the shiny cured shell of the foam the silicone stuck like super glue. Weird?

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So I started applying the first thin coats of mortar in certain spots to look like rocks. The rest of the wall will just be silicone.




This is one of the ledges I carved out for another planting spot.

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Thanks. My wife thinks it's too tall but once it's planted she'll probably like it more.

I ordered the Giesemann 6000K bulbs today, the blue is a bit much. They didn't look as bad over the water though.

My question for everyone is.... did anyone ever notice that the silicone doesn't stick well to the cured shiny side of the Greatstuff? I was testing some of the greatstuff that dripped and after the slicone cured it peeled right off, but if I carved off the shiny cured shell of the foam the silicone stuck like super glue. Weird?
It sticks much better when you carve off the shiny layer. The tank is looking good, can't wait to see it with out the actinic lights .
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Agreed that silicone can be a bit tricky on smooth shiny surfaces. Look into using gorilla glue instead of silicone I think it is a much better method.
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I agree with John. The Gorilla or Titebond glue methods are much better and will last a heck of a lot longer then silicone/coco. It costs a bit more, but in the grand cost scheme of things it isnt much of a difference. It's positives greatly outweigh the added cost.
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I have some Gorilla glue... do you just brush it on cause it's kinda thick? Can you thin it out?
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Yes you can just brush it on. I got one of those cheap chip brushes from Home Depot, something like 99 cents. I cut the bristles real short to make it extra stiff and used that. The gorilla glue actually spreads pretty good and you'll be surprised at how well it covers. Then I just misted the glue with some water and pack the background material over it, thickly since the glue does expand quite a bit.
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Does your gorilla glue dry white or clear? If it dries white, does this present a problem if you get incomplete coverage with the cocostuff?

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It dries white, but getting good coverage isn't a problem since the glue expands a bit when drying and holds good to the cocofiber. It the same as Great stuff in terms of material, so it looks like great stuff when dried. I'd recommend using twice as much background material as you need and pack it down once it's dry flip the tank back over and the extra will fall off and you should be good to go.
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Well I got the rocks painted with acrylic paint and sealed them with the Liquitex.... I suck at painting but I'm sure it will look better once the background is coated with the Gorillla glue and dirt. I took it outside so I didn't have to look at the actinics anymore. The 6000K bulbs will be here monday.


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So I took some time today between work to get a side covered in peat/coco. Gorilla glue is fun. I found that you have to keep pressing it down because the expanding would crack the soil and push it up out of the way but I think it's turning out ok. I got the 6000K bulbs today and should have a pic of tomorrow.

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Looking really good!! Anxious to see what it will look like when it is finished
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Ok, finished doing the back/sides. Now to start the other one and get to finding some plants. The pics have the new 6000K Giesmann bulbs, I think 2 bulbs may be enough as the light gets down to the bottom and it's pretty bright. I'll see after the tank gets planted, I may need one more.



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Ok, waiting on the 40b vert sliding door kits from Junglebox so I let the one tank sit and started on the other.



I decided to make the tree come out of the corner of the tank, and I still have to add some wires/pvc for roots and do some sculpting.

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Added some PVC for roots. I have some rope, I'm going to add as vines also once everything dries. Then some more wood on the right side and a branch going across the tank. It should start to look much better once I start covering with bark. I thought about gluing individual pieces of orchid bark on the tree but it sounds too time comsuming... lol. I'll just do the GG again.



I also glued on a bunch of sheet moss in the left tank to cover up all the bright green paint...lol.


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Thanks, I had some leftover Romex sheathing that I pulled the wire out of and glued it as vines (sort of). Still, I'm sure it will look better once covered. As soon as the sliding doors get here from Junglebox I'll work on the base. I have the soil mixed up and ready to go, I just need to find plants and broms, etc. and get to planting.

I think I'm going to go ahead and drill a hole in the top (and plug it) for a misting system, when I decied to add one. Anyone know the average size of the misting nozzles?

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The tree is coming along quite nicely!
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I got a quick first coat of GG/soil on today. I still have some things to add before doing the sides. Not too bad......

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I added another branch and a piece of driftwood on the back panel and covered more with GG and soil. I'll glue some moss around later.

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I actually just created a thread for this because I needed the same information. If you go with a mistking system, the regular nozzels require a 5/8" hole, and the premium ones require only a 1/2" hole.
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