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Old 07-30-2010, 06:14 PM
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I'm really psyched about this small clutch of eggs that I found early today. These are from my Kelley-line Standard Fantastica pair. The female came from Jon Werner and the male from Keith Campbell. Though both are proven this is their first clutch together.

2 of the eggs look good. The third one on the right is obviously not. This photo was taken yesterday, and today I removed them and cut out the bad egg. The good ones are definitely good as the tadpoles are clearly developing, will try to get some decent pictures of them soon.



Here is the male


and the female


Skittish little frogs that vanish as soon as the camera shutter closes, but awesome nonetheless!
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Old 07-30-2010, 11:19 PM
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Beautiful frogs! Good luck!
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Old 07-31-2010, 12:53 AM
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Very nice! Please keep us updated on their progress!
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Old 07-31-2010, 03:05 AM
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That female almost looks like a white-stripe fant.

Congrats!
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Old 07-31-2010, 03:37 AM
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Congrats ... I have a pair I'm hoping will lay for me soon as well. Cool frogs and yes very skittish.
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Old 07-31-2010, 08:06 PM
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how old are these frogs? congrats
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Old 07-31-2010, 10:54 PM
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Thanks guys!

One of the eggs is starting to look like a tad, the other is developing a bit slower (if at all).

I was under the impression that the white-banded morph had very minimal patterning and was distinguished by single stripes down the legs and very distinct ventral pattern.

As to their ages. The male is about 2 years old (cb 2008), and I am not sure about the female - she is also cb but we don't have an exact date for her.
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Old 08-01-2010, 05:24 PM
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Way to go! Always great to see them being bred.
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Old 08-01-2010, 06:41 PM
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I was under the impression that the white-banded morph had very minimal patterning and was distinguished by single stripes down the legs and very distinct ventral pattern.
Now that I think about it... that's probably true. The few I've seen in person have just looked a little different to me. Still a gorgeous frog for sure
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Old 08-01-2010, 07:29 PM
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Couple of things that I wanted to add. There is a tremendous amount of variation within "Copper Head" R. fantistica. This holds true no matter the line, we own and raise all lines in the US; Tarlton, INIBCO, or the two European imports. Their markings are highly variable. Some frogs can be striped; the black crown can two small dots, a pair of stripes or a full butterfly shape; the orange can extend down the full length of the back or end at the front shoulders. It never ceases to amaze me the variation the happens within our offspring.

Many hold this species as highly skittish and they can be. However keeping them in a male heavy group; in an enclosure with lots of leaf litter & several good size bromeliads; and keeping temperatures on the cool side with highs not much more than the mid 70's, will make all the difference in the world provided the frogs are adult. Any member of this group as a baby is shy period.

Also, my understanding about the frogs collected as the "white banded morph" is they are quite possibly a hybrid with R. summersi due to frogs being moved around in Peru by human activity. The frogs in captivity are acting like a hybrid and mostly sterile.

Good luck with the eggs; though I would recommend leaving them in the enclosure and at a minimum letting the parents move the tadpoles in the future. The tadpoles seem to benefit from the contact with the adults over the week or so they are carried around.

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Chris,

Your journal thread on these guys is exceptional. Anybody looking into fants should definitely check this out : http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/bre...antastica.html


Robert,

Yeah, my understanding is that the "white-banded morph" is one of those hazy morphs that may or may not be a natural out-cross between the two populations that you stated.

Since you seem to know about the original imports, do you know from which import the Kelley line came from? Both these are Kelley line, but I am curious about which lines should or should not be mixed. From a previous conversation I had with a member we discussed that both the Kelley line and Tan line 'Standards' may have been from the same import and thus presumably the same locale. Can you verify this?
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Leo, We have breeding groups of the various of "Copper-head" fants next to each other including INIBCO imports. These groups all behave the same where other fants like "Lowland", "Red-head" have quite different behaviors. Quite frankly I believe that they all originated from the Cainarachi valley, and have some anecdotal confirmation to this order. This morph has a limited range. So I would not take issue mixing any of the older "Copper-head" lines in the hobby. Robert
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Old 08-03-2010, 05:13 PM
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Congrats on the developing eggs Leo! I am sure that there will be many more to come.

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Old 08-09-2010, 04:22 PM
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Little update. The tad from the first clutch just absorbed the left gill "nerve endings" so I am expecting him to break out of the egg any day now. The fants have also given me 2 more clutches. A huge clutch (fantastica speaking) of six eggs in a film canister - though it may have been multiple clutches in the same spot. Of these 2-3 look good. This morning I found another 2 eggs that look fertile on a brom leaf.

Keith, thanks for everything thus far. You have been awesome over pm giving precise details and answering all my questions regarding these frogs.
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Old 08-09-2010, 05:57 PM
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No problem Leo, anytime. Six eggs is a pretty big clutch! My most recent is 5/5. Its not quite 6, but I am not complaining.

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Looks great! beautiful frogs, hope they morph healthy
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Default Re: R. fantastica eggs!

OH WOW! Look at all the color! They are fantastic! Get it? Ha, well good luck with the eggies and tads!
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That link doesnt work for me.
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Eh, Seaduck, we you say 'male heavy groups' don't you mean females? Or do you indeed keep several males in a group. What size is a typical group for this morph?
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