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Old 05-18-2010, 01:44 PM
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I have some night crawlers and was wondering if it would be a good or a bad idea to let them go in my dart frog terrarium? I'm not even sure why I thought of it, but figured they are good for soil, even though I have coco fiber as a bedding. My terrarium is planted up proper with moss and other plants. Just curious here really. Thanks...
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From what I've read it's not a good idea because they break your substrate down too fast.

The isopods and springtails do a fine job cleaning up any detritus with the added bonus of functioning as prey.
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Old 05-18-2010, 08:14 PM
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Earthworms typically prefer cooler temperatures, and even if they do have the ability to burrow enough into your substrate, the tropical conditions in a PDF tank can produce some AWFULLY slimy, gooey, and well...dead, earthworms.

Trust me, there is nothing like the smell of liquid earthworm.
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Trust me, there is nothing like the smell of liquid earthworm.
I second this. I go fishing Very often and sometime forget and leave the container out in the open for a day or two. VERY stinky.
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I actually stock all my vivs with earth worms....but i would suggest the red wigglers...they are a smaller variety of earth worm that dont get nearly as huge, long/thick as a typical night crawler. They are good for airating the soil and i think beneficial in general...never seen it but i suppose its possible that frogs eat baby worms at night when they come to the surface. most bait shots/pet stores have the red wigglers...i believe they are often labeled for trout fishing
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I second this. I go fishing Very often and sometime forget and leave the container out in the open for a day or two. VERY stinky.
LOL! Been there myself...P-U!! I honestly would not want any earth worm in my vivs for the reasons stated above.
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I actually stock all my vivs with earth worms....but i would suggest the red wigglers...they are a smaller variety of earth worm that dont get nearly as huge, long/thick as a typical night crawler. They are good for airating the soil and i think beneficial in general...never seen it but i suppose its possible that frogs eat baby worms at night when they come to the surface. most bait shots/pet stores have the red wigglers...i believe they are often labeled for trout fishing
Ever since I learned about toxicity issues with Eisenia (red wrigglers/red worms), I have been very hesitent about using them as a feeder source
see Toxicity of coelomic fluid of the earthworm Eiseni... [Comp Biochem Physiol C Toxicol Pharmacol. 2001] - PubMed result

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ok cool, thanks for the info, the night crawlers will stay in the fridge for the next fishing day then!
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Ever since I learned about toxicity issues with Eisenia (red wrigglers/red worms), I have been very hesitent about using them as a feeder source
see Toxicity of coelomic fluid of the earthworm Eiseni... [Comp Biochem Physiol C Toxicol Pharmacol. 2001] - PubMed result

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Hmm learn something new every day. Is that infact the species commonly sold in bait shops and/or pet stores?

I'd always just throw a few in, i never actually saw the frogs eat them or any babie worms... though I did see newts eat them. So maybe the frogs werent feeding on them as I never had any deaths in adults that I couldnt attribute to escape or that dang Ice storm that wiped me out.

Guess i'll reconsider throwing em in the next viv though
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As to being commonly sold see Eisenia foetida - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There appears to be some variation in feeding them to different herps.. I have yet to hear of deaths in caudates but as an example garter snakes will eat them and then throw them up and possibly die.

A lot of animals do not find them palatable (for example, when I tried them on neonate Typhlonectes, they had to be fairly hungry before they would eat them and I never got the same growth rates as when I started the caecilians on bloodworms).

However given the wide variety of vertebrates that either find them distasteful or toxic, I no longer use them.

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That could explain why I'm such a lousy freshwater fisherman.
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