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Old 12-01-2012, 02:06 AM
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Updated frog room coming along nicely, almost complete. Two builds left, then tad setup and growouts.

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Looking really good Ray. Sure you can't squeeze another rack in there? What size are your smaller verts? Are those for thumbnail frogs?


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Not sure what you mean. The only verts I have are 30 high, all for epipedobates with exception for one which is for isla popa pumilio
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Sorry, I meant the epip tanks. They look a lot taller and skinner than the rest. What are the dimensions on these? I really like them.


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30 x 17 x 15 I believe. 3 fit across a 48 rack
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Looking really good Ray. I'm really liking your tanks, very few plants but tons of leaf litter and wood. I've been leaning that way with my new vivs as well.

I think it was Ron who said a few years ago, if you think you're running out of room, you haven't gotten creative enough
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What are the L.E.D light bars you are using?
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I am really liking the no "fixed" back ground looks on your new builds brings everything more into focus.
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Thanks. I'm very pleased with how things are coming along. Plants and frogs seem to be acclimating well. The led bars are the HO ones sold by light your reptiles.
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Updated frog room coming along nicely, almost complete. Two builds left, then tad setup and growouts.

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Not sure if anyone asked this already but I noticed that some tanks have some sort of substrate and some don't. Is this random? or is it based on what is going inside. Also I noticed your Epipedobates tanks are higher, Do you find they need a taller tank? I have 4 tads of the Moraspongas and have a densely plants 20gal. long ready for them but it seems as though I need to rethink this.
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Not sure if anyone asked this already but I noticed that some tanks have some sort of substrate and some don't. Is this random? or is it based on what is going inside. Also I noticed your Epipedobates tanks are higher, Do you find they need a taller tank? I have 4 tads of the Moraspongas and have a densely plants 20gal. long ready for them but it seems as though I need to rethink this.
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All of my tanks have an amended version of ABG mix, basically ABG with clay, and lots and lots of leaf litter.

I have decided to keep my epips. higher as I've noticed that the males like to call from higher up. So far, so good. They really seem to enjoy the higher perches. Plus, lots of great room for plants.
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Awesome Tanks Ray. Perfect example of less is more. Everything looks really "clean". (The tank designs, not the room itself).

I didnt notice any drainage layers or misting systems.
How often do you mist your tanks & for how long? Where does all the extra runoff water go?

(Is it just me or did everything look a little more "drier" then the pics of tanks we usually see?)
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Awesome Tanks Ray. Perfect example of less is more. Everything looks really "clean". (The tank designs, not the room itself).

I didnt notice any drainage layers or misting systems.
How often do you mist your tanks & for how long? Where does all the extra runoff water go?

(Is it just me or did everything look a little more "drier" then the pics of tanks we usually see?)
Nope, hand mist once a day or every other day, with any excess water accumulation beyond what is desired taken out by hand.

Way too many tanks are kept, in my opinion, too stagnant and wet. The trick is to allow for good ventilation and humidity. Once these tanks start to grow in the plants really do the trick and maximize water retention and increase humidity, even when heavily ventilated.
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You all know Ray gets a lot accomplished on that little desk of his in there....
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All of my tanks have an amended version of ABG mix, basically ABG with clay, and lots and lots of leaf litter.

I have decided to keep my epips. higher as I've noticed that the males like to call from higher up. So far, so good. They really seem to enjoy the higher perches. Plus, lots of great room for plants.
I noticed the same in my anthonyi "Highland": males are at the top of the viv, while the female is on the bottom and rarely climbs. I have set up two high perches at each end of the viv to avoid fighting between the two males. But my epips are very quiet and bold!
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Nope, hand mist once a day or every other day, with any excess water accumulation beyond what is desired taken out by hand.

Way too many tanks are kept, in my opinion, too stagnant and wet. The trick is to allow for good ventilation and humidity. Once these tanks start to grow in the plants really do the trick and maximize water retention and increase humidity, even when heavily ventilated.
So, I have talked to "newer" members and they seemed to be under the impression that misting is not just for humidity purposes but that the frogs "needed" the water.

My stance was of hypothetical nature: that the misting was for the humidity, and you could potentially go months, even if everything "looked dry" as long as the humidity was still high enough. (High enough being 60/70% plus) ... correct? Comments?

I bring this up only bc the subject of "misting" isnt discussed enough IMO. We all know that it needs done, but for newer members, it hasnt really been explained in terms of proper technique and reasons.

In fact, im going to start a thread in the beginners section to jump start this discussion.
So lets start this convo there so as to not hijack your post of your beautiful tanks.
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I have a few tanks that have gone without misting for at least a month with no issues.
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Mist on the glasses and wet leaves show that the moisture in the tank is adequate. Or am I wrong? I bought at least four hygrometers (analog and digital) and all give different values. I've had enough of hygrometers!
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I have a few tanks that have gone without misting for at least a month with no issues.
Ditto... I've seen some go even longer depending on ventilation.

Basically in my tanks even with the lid propped open a couple millimeters as long as there is a little water in the false bottom I get condensation on the glass shortly after the lights come on every day, and can easily feel the humidity when I stick my hand in.

IMO it is pretty hard for a well planted tank not to be humid enough...unless maybe it's an all screen tank like for chameleon.

I agree that many tanks are not ventilated enough, I think many overestimate how wet these frogs need to be. We can't seem to break the thinking that frog = lots of water. Many plants do better with some ventilation too.
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Some updated photos- P. aurotaenia









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How do you regulate the temperature on all those tanks? I like to use a water heater connected to a thermostat but that clearly wouldn't be feasible with over a dozen...Any air circulation?
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Just room temp, high 60s and low 70s. All tanks are heavily ventilated.
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Is the temp on the inside of the tanks also high 60's low 70's? I've done that before but my frogs get lethargic and hide nonstop, I've had much better results with my temps 75 to 82
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New home for the P. lugubris as part of the frog room makeover. They seem to be enjoying it.









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Those aurotaenia are really cool! Are they breeding for you?
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What are you keeping Oophaga wise Ray?

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Its breeding season in the frog room...

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Thank the frog gods, that some good people are working with these underrated frogs

Is that the old old line vits Ray?(I don't remember if they had names or what they were), I don't remember my ones from Doc having the white/bluish markings going that far up the sides. Seems like that may be a general difference in the 2(or more?) pre-understory lines? ...Or maybe that is just my imagination.
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Oh yeah, they have about 100 tads in their pool... Crazy frogs

I received mine as froglets from Eric G and his adults were from Aaron of frog farm fame.
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Maybe you have said it above, but how are the temps in your room? How do you do when it's hot in the summer?
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Ray, funny I never noticed this thread and you have obviously spent a good bit of time putting it together. I wish I would have put together some threads like this over the years. Very nice collection, thanks for sharing! Btw, I think those wide banded aurotaenia are one of the most underrated frogs around...
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Looking good ray. Are you just using the led bars from Todd?
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