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Old 03-28-2005, 05:56 PM
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Default Need some idea's on setting up my p. lamasi tank.

I am starting to switch over my thumbs from their old tanks to new ones with inserts. What I want to know is how do you guys set up you tanks for these guys? Should I keep things simple, with just a couple of broms. on the back ground and maybe a fern or something on the ground? Or should I make the tank look crazy and fill it up with plants?
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Here is a pic of what they are in now.


imitator tank(kinda wild looking)


this is what i have so far set up.


Plan on having more film can. on other side. Also what angles do they like best?
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He's probably refering to Panguana Lamasi.


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P. lamasi? I am unfamiliar, is that just an error or is their such a thing?
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Stupid question, which is why I deleted it? I was hoping no one saw that. Ah, oh well. Just took the p for something else. ops:
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Hi,

I would suggest adding a water feature, mine will only breed when the bottom is flooded. They tend to lay on overlapping leaves, or on the underside of leaves which touch the glass. They seem to prefer a tank which is very heavily planted, but it can be very difficult to find eggs. Mine will lay in the film canisters slanted the way you have them, but they seem to prefer ones that are out of sight, or have a leaf over them. Even if you give them the film canisters, you should be prepared to hunt for eggs!

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He's probably refering to Panguana Lamasi
Sorry if there was some confusion mydumname, I quickly posted this before work.
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Hi,

I would suggest adding a water feature, mine will only breed when the bottom is flooded. They tend to lay on overlapping leaves, or on the underside of leaves which touch the glass. They seem to prefer a tank which is very heavily planted, but it can be very difficult to find eggs. Mine will lay in the film canisters slanted the way you have them, but they seem to prefer ones that are out of sight, or have a leaf over them. Even if you give them the film canisters, you should be prepared to hunt for eggs!

Alexander
Thanks for the info Alexander. What types of plants do you recommend? Also do you have any specs on the type of water feature in your tank?
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P.S. I have a couple more questions but my bro is in the car laying on the horn because we are late for study session.
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My own mistake, did you see it?
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My panguanas seem to really like the Neo. compacta in their tank. I also have a lot of wood, and some smaller plants and orchids. They really seem to enjoy small hiding areas. I use anthurium species and Cissus amazonica in the tanks as well. There is also a large mat of Peperomia on the back wall.

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My panguanas seem to really like the Neo. compacta in their tank. I also have a lot of wood, and some smaller plants and orchids. They really seem to enjoy small hiding areas. I use anthurium species and Cissus amazonica in the tanks as well. There is also a large mat of Peperomia on the back wall.

Alexander
Did you get these from a web site, if so do you want to share which one?
Thanks again
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You can get most of them from Black Jungle or T and C.

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Got any pics?
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Where did you get the background from? Looks Awesome!
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Its both cork bark and weld bond back ground.
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Phil Tan has them availble right now as well i think if you buy 4 he pays shipping.
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lol, who's Phil Tan?
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Phil Tan is one of the many gifted breeders in the Pacific NW! Here is an interview that I did with.

Name: Phil Tan

Age: 38

Location: Lynnwood, WA

Educational background: Molecular Biology

Occupation: Molecular Biologist

Years experience: 5 years.

Total # of tanks: 60+

Size of tanks: 10 - 20

Total # of frogs: 200

Longest living frog: 5 years and going Azureus and Fantasticus

What breeds of Dendrobates do you have in your collection?
1. Fants 2. Pumilio Bastimentos 3. Green Pumilio 4. Panguana Lamasi 5. Green Legged Panguana Lamasi 6. Intermedius Imitator 7. Banded Fantasticus (boldest thumbnail Ive ever seen) 8. Standard Lamasi 9. Quiqs 10. Terapota Imitator 11. Brazil Nuts 12. Azureus 13. Orange Galacts 14. Gold Amys 15. Red Amys 16. Imitator 17. Green Sips 18. White Galacts? 19. Yellow Galacts 20. Retics 21. Minyobates Fulguritus
*Phil is breeding everything but the fulguritus and standard lamasi

How many tadpoles do you have?
400+!!!!!!!!!!!

What is your breeding method/technique per breed?
Arboreal use tall tanks (18 gallon), lots of film canisters, keep temp in the low 70s (very important), use some plants, mist 4 5 times per week, feed 5 6 times per week with springtails and FFs. Keep them healthy and diet is important.

How do you rear your frogs per breed?
Tadpoles in 5.5oz cups are fed high protein fish fry food, change water (aged tap water) every 5 days, when they morph they go into a shoebox for about 2 3 months with water and land. Retics and amys are fed springtails and everything else goes on a steady diet of wingless melanogaster.

How many frogs do you sell/give away/trade per month? 10 on slow months and 30 40

What is your favorite breed of Dendrobates?
Spotted retics

What is your most desired breed of frog that is available in the hobby trade that you do not have?
Vanzolinii (thumbnail) $400 - $500 each

What is your most desired breed of frog that is not available in the hobby trade?
Arboreus (thumbnail)

What is the most difficult frog for you to raise?
Red amys because of SLS

What is the most difficult frog for you to breed?
Standard Lamasi

What is the hardest thing about keeping frogs?
Making FF cultures

What is the easiest thing about keeping frogs?
You can leave them without food for 2 3 days

What is the biggest misconception in the hobby?

Poisonous

Where do you see the hobby going?
Continuing to grow and becoming more mainstream

Which direction do you want the hobby to go?
Like to see it expand like tropical fish

What do you like most about the hobby?
Raising tadpoles and froglets because its nice to watch them

What are the negative aspects of the hobby?
Addictive

What are your thoughts on collecting wild species?
Can save a frog that would otherwise go extinct, but doesnt like taking them from the wild
Who/What got you into the hobby?
His brother got him an azureus and Todd Kelley

Who has taught you the most within this small community?
Todd Kelley

Where did you get most of your knowledge?
Online

What are your current main sources of info?
Other breeders

What is your greatest advice or warning to beginners?
Go slow

What is the most common disease that you have experienced or seen in general?
Parasites


What type of quarantine system do you practice? CB? WC?
Get a fecal and isolation

Do you pre-medicate?
Yes, with panacur

How often do you clean a vivarium? What does that entail?
3 months to a year by breaking it down completely

How often do you feed adults? Froglets? How much?
5 6 times per week, Gut loads the frogs with larvae every once in a while every 2 3 weeks

What type FF media/recipe do you use?
Pacific NW power mix

How many FF cultures do you make per week? 50

How many different types of food do you use? What kind?
Springtails and FFs

Do you dust your FFs with vitamins and calcium? How often?
Yes, everytime

What type of vitamin/calcium do you use?
Herptivite/ Rep-Cal and Minerall

What is your favorite vivarium product?
Coco bricks/ Sphangnum moss, which he boils in hot water before using

Do you have/use an automated misting system? How often? How much? Type of water?

No. Hand mists 4 5 times per week

What plants do you typically use? Favorite plant?
Pothos and bromeliads

How much light do you use? What kind? Duration? Distance from vivarium?
Regular lights 12 hours a day

Have you traveled to see frogs in nature? Where? No

Have you witnessed the dendro hobby in Europe? Yes

Are they ahead of the US in size? Technique? Knowledge? Skill? How are they different?
Most frogs have come from Europe (illegally)

What do your friends/family/spouse think of your hobby?
Everyone thinks it is a good hobby and is interested in it. Very curious

Do you attend frog shows? Which ones? Favorite show?
NW Frog Fest

Do you have other pets? Fish

What other interests do you have?
None. Too busy
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alright now that I know who Phil Tan is :shock: , where can I buy these at? Does he have a website?
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http://www.fantasticus.net/

I'm getting 4 Panguana Lamasi from him. Also he's been very prompt on answering email, questions, etc. so hopefully I'll be buying more frogs from him in the future.

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Phil Tan's website:

http://www.fantasticus.net/Frogsforsale.html

I just purchased two imitators from him yesterday, great frogs and a very nice guy to work with.
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Well I tried a couple of different things with the tank dealing with water feature and stuff but I wasn't really happy with how things were working out. Instead I tried some of those pods the black jungle sells to collect water in and I also put in a bunch of film canisters.

I moved the frogs into their new home last night. What I thought was going to be a half hour thing turned into a two and a half hour deal. Those little guys were hard to find. I found one of them down in the soil and the others were hiding behind the tree fern panel. I will post some pics of them that I took in their new home later on today.
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here are some pics.





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Amazing frogs!! Nice orchid too! Any pics of the tank?
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I will post some pics. of the tank hopefully tomorrow.
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here is a pic. of the tank. since i put the frogs in their new home i have seen them many times out and about; more in the past couple days then in the last seven months. Also one of the males has been calling his brains out since the move. these guys are loud they are giving my imitators and pums a run for their money.

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