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I'm hoping this journal will help me see the progress since starting in the hobby over time. Thank you to everyone for giving me helpful advice and tips! If I had just looked at information from online stores, I feel like I would have made mistakes with frog health/behavior and would have been disgruntled and possibly given up when things went wrong.

The vivarium is 24x18x18. I was planning on leucs, and then couldn't make up my mind, and ended up with my original choice. I was already planning on more leaf litter and a cocohut. Here it is set up, before I logged in here.


I got tips on taking out the sphagnum layer, utilizing more empty space, more hides, breaks in line of sight, and humidity control. I put window plastic on the eco-terra lid with a 2" space in the back and it is around 75% during the day and climbs to 99% at night. There wasn't condensation on the glass, and the wood/plants dried off in good time. I just got my glass top with a 1" ventilation space and am currently testing to see if that will work during the warmer months. On day one, the humidity stays in the high 80% and goes up to 99% at night. Again, the wood dried up fast, the plants take a little longer to dry out, no condensation on the glass. I am currently planning on hand misting, I feel that will force me to scope out all the living things and be able to monitor them since I'm new to this. Cocohut, and more leaf litter incoming. The broms are getting some nice color already. Here is the tank today.


The tiny tears is growing really well. There was a perfect depression in the wood and I knew I had space for some substrate and this plant.


There are still some things on my wishlist. I'd like to replace the ficus pumilia with marcgravia, hopefully I can access the classifieds soon and put out a WTB. I also need something for the ends of the wood on the right side of the tank. It just looks so bare. I really like the thought of some rabbits foot fern for the back, and maybe a viv-suited orchid for the foreground wood.

Now I have a slice of the rainforest in my living room!
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Im not able to see for sure, but make double certain that left door edge doesnt reach the other tank. If its easy to prevent that, space wise, do so.

Brittle to brittle glass contact has greater propensity to crack, than a heavier yet duller percussive impact. A nudge, or the level of the floor that can enhance the swing - its one of those things to avoid if possible.

My animal room floor is imperceptable in its flawed level until i open a couple of the exo doors. One swings open pretty good (or bad actually) and its a big pane that would become a bigger pain if it cracked. sorry for the pun it just happened!
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Make sure whats in those cups dont get too warm!
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@Fmj, if you are looking for Marcgravia rectifolia or sintenisii, I think the guy you're getting your leucs from has some for sale.

I like the hardscape in the redo picture!
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@Fmj, if you are looking for Marcgravia rectifolia or sintenisii, I think the guy you're getting your leucs from has some for sale. <img src="http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />

I like the hardscape in the redo picture!
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Im not able to see for sure, but make double certain that left door edge doesnt reach the other tank. If its easy to prevent that, space wise, do so.

Brittle to brittle glass contact has greater propensity to crack, than a heavier yet duller percussive impact. A nudge, or the level of the floor that can enhance the swing - its one of those things to avoid if possible.

My animal room floor is imperceptable in its flawed level until i open a couple of the exo doors. One swings open pretty good (or bad actually) and its a big pane that would become a bigger pain if it cracked. sorry for the pun it just happened!
I had thought about that, especially with the kids. The doors are actually very nice and don't swing open. I assumed they might swing a bit more with usage so I added a strip of eva foam to the left handle. There's no reason to open it that far, but I wanted to be safe.

As far as the cups, they are ghost mantis. I've kept an eye on them, but they are at the front of the top and no heat from the hood really gets to them. I don't like them up there too much, as its difficult to see them with the light coming through the lower part of their cups.



I went ahead and treated myself to a fine mist spray bottle, and black rabbits foot fern. I'm excited to try it out! A treat for working 72 hours in six days! It looks like I might be getting some macgravia as well... looking forward to frogs and stuff on Sunday!
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Just realized I didn't put a picture of the view from the couch! I wanted to make sure they had plenty of space to get away from seeing people from this view. There's also enough shade, will be more once stuff grows in, that they can hide in the corner as well. Again, more leaf litter, I'm thinking a nice pile in that corner. As you can see, the Christmas moss experiment isn't turning out so well. I have tried putting some in a cranny on some wood to see if that works better.

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Looks very nice! What’s the plant in the center and the two on the left?
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Looks very nice! What’s the plant in the center and the two on the left?
If you're talking about the newest layout,
center: Syngonium podophyllum 'Creamsicle' (I hope I can trim it to stay small),
back left: Spathiphyllum 'Petite'
front left: Calathea lancifolia 'Rattlesnake Plant'

You reminded me to add a flora list!
^^^I can't edit my original post. I'll wait to add a list until next week when I have a few new additions!

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If you're talking about the newest layout,
center: Syngonium podophyllum 'Creamsicle' (I hope I can trim it to stay small),
back left: Spathiphyllum 'Petite'
front left: Calathea lancifolia 'Rattlesnake Plant'

You reminded me to add a flora list!
^^^I can't edit my original post. I'll wait to add a list until next week when I have a few new additions!
Yep those are the ones. Might have to look into some of them. Thanks!
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I've received some "stuff" over the last couple days! Black rabbits foot fern and cocohut. I moved some plants around in anticipation of getting some cuttings of Marcgravia. I'm not sure where I want to put the creeping fig... Maybe I'll try to make it a bonsai on the cocohut, or try to cover the bare stick in the front right corner. The striped from on in the back right is getting some deep, intense red when viewed from above, its cool to see how they change in a new environment. Next update, frogs! (and marcgravia!)

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Pictures incoming! Thank you socratic monologue! Now to introduce my trio of fine spot leucs!

One hopped out, then the others followed quickly. That one pretending to be a monkey misjudged the distance and tried to walk across the wood!


One of my new plants and the frogs


"This spot looks nice!"


"I think I'll stay and have a snack"


"I claim this plant!"


Been sitting here snacking of microfauna


A couple of the broms coloring up




FTS I probably have too many plants, but I'll see what works well and what does not and go with the flow of the plants.


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That pic of the monkey frog is a good one.
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I have my plant list complete! Way too many varieties in there right now, but I want to keep as many as I can to see which do well, and which grow too fast/large (looking at you syngoium and algoaonema).

In no particular order:
Columnea gloriosa 'Golfish Plant' originally put it to fill space/flowers, unsure now if it will stay
Alagaonema 'Siam Aurora'
Calathea lancivolia 'Rattlesnake Plant'
Spathiphyllum 'petite'
Syngonium podophyllum 'Creamsicle'
Peperomia caperata 'Green'
Pellionia pulchra 'Watermelon'
Ficus pumila variegata 'creeping fig'
Pilea depressa 'Tiny Tears'
Nephrolepsis exaltata 'Emerald Vase Fern'
Nephrolepsis cordifolia 'Lemon Button Fern'
Davallia thrichomanoides 'Black Rabbit's Foot Fern'
Episcia 'Silver Skies'
Monocostus uniflorus 'Lemon Ginger'
Macodes petola 'Jewel Orchid'
Marcgravia sintenisii 'Rainbow Marcgravia'
Marcgravia rectiflora
5 Neoregelia broms (id help!)

I also have some Christmas moss and subwassertang, but I'm not hopeful they will thrive.

Here's some frog pics!




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The last couple days the frogs seem to be less shy when I open the tank! I’ve gotten into the habit of spraying when I get home, and feeding shortly after. Today, they watched me tap the fly cup out and started to hop to it before I had the door so closed! I feel much more comfortable now that I know they are getting their fill of vitamins!

There are also fewer fly escapees. I reapplied silicone to the mesh at the back edge, and also have a cider vinegar trap underneath the tank to get any that do come out. The melanogaster seem to squeeze through the mesh if they try, while the hydei have fewer escape options!

One question... how do I know they are fat enough? Say a frog is sitting (or crawling) and it’s belly looks rounded underneath. I assume that’s a healthy sign. Just my anxiety, I’m sure they are nice and filled out still.
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They're at a nice healthy weight.
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First of all, I must thank my wife for agreeing to this! I'm building an 18x18x18 thumbnail R. imitator 'green'. The viv will be bromeliad heavy, with lots of shadows on the floor. Well, that's the plan anyway!

Here is what I had planned. Warning, bad photography ahead!


My first step was to shave down the excess background from the exoterra since I won't be using it to hide cords etc. You should have seen the mess on the floor!
I siliconed it to the back (I thought upside down gave it some nice cracks that will be useful for planting/climbing).



This is what I saw when I had finished one side. I used a can of great stuff to hold up the one chunk of manzanita (not sure if it will hold through all this, but one can hope. I'll have to prop it up through all the stages until the substrate is in I'm sure. My lack of a creative side is panicking, all I see are some blobs and I can't tell for sure How I'm going to make a textured look. There are some thicker areas I can carve into ledges, non-smooth areas.


My best attempt at a view from the front. There's a lot of carving to do!



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An update on progress:
I've carved down all the GS. Hoping to get started on silicone/coco fiber tomorrow. I hope I can make this look good!


I warned you about bad photography! The right side also has some ledges, not as hight profile as I wanted them to blend in more.
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I'm hoping for a fast cure! The tank is on my porch with windows open at night to increase humidity (gets close to 100% at night here), and a fan on the tank. I put the light on to test the level, and shadow just from the hardware, and I'm happy. Its a nicrew planted plus led 18-24. I use this brand on both of my aquariums with good results, and the 10 gallon plants show great color and tend to grow horizontally instead of leggy. You can't beat the price either, crazy cheap compared to the setup I got with my other viv. I'm not sure if I'll get a dimmer or just a timer. Its not the brightest light, which is what I was going for reading that imitators prefer less light for boldness (hopefully that info was correct!).
My plants are coming Wednesday. A littler earlier than I was expecting, but I can keep them under my garden grow out light until I can plant. Once the vinegar smell is gone its safe, right? This will be packed with bromeliads, hopefully a few cryptanthus, marcgravia, watermelon vine, lemon ginger, jewel orchid, and a fern that doesn't fit in the other viv.


My leucs were happy to see me after work yesterday! After I misted, the two larger ones were hanging out near the front. I went to feed and they only hopped to cover under a plant, but came out as I started tapping flies in! The smallest came out as the flies dropped as well.
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I'm excited, yet nervous to post the initial planting. You all have amazing tanks, and I'm brand new and feel like I have no creativity at all! I just got an email the glass top is ready to pickup (leaving space for screen vent in back). The lighting will be better with no plastic bar blocking a good deal of light. There's still some vining plants, a jewel orchid or two to go in. The low hanging branch that reaches across will be covered in either a marcgravia or oak leaf creeping fig (if I can get some at some point). I have to give some praise to Glass Box Tropicals. They were able to fulfill my request of 7 epiphytic broms and 3 cryptanthus that will work in an 18x18x18. I'm so happy! Until backgrounds fill in more, I was thinking of putting some of the larger pieces of leaf litter on the ledges to give the frogs some cover while they are up high. Any suggestions for temporary cover until things are grown in? I hope I've built something imitators will thrive in.



Might as well post the luec viv. The broms have all rooted well, plants are thriving! Frogs are waiting for food after I mist, and all is well! I wish I had covered this background in coco fiber!
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My first ever vivarium I used the stock exo background. It worked just fine and lasted as long as I had the tank set up (around six years). Would probably never do it again now that I have tried other methods and seen success, but the stock backgrounds work just fine.

Tanks are looking great by the way!
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Where do I get me on of those monkey frogs?
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Isopods, plants, and frogs, oh my! I'm really enjoying this viv now with the added plants! I'm trying to get some baby tears to climb. I like to experiment!
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FTS: Bell cups are siliconed in hopes of


The male started calling close to an hour after being in its new home! I assume it was a test to see if there were any males. Now he's hopping around exploring and calling longer and more often.


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I’m relieved the viv has turned out so well. I was afraid that putting the aerial branches would just be a hindrance to maintenance. They have been walking, climbing, and jumping from every bromeliad and branch! I can see why people get hooked on thumbnails after seeing their aerial skills.
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To start things off, a smiley frog. Its name is #3 until sex is confirmed.


Here is #1 deciding if its worth the effort to have a snack.


#1 toe tapping, giving its human the stink eye because its not a feeding day.


The dead center of the tank, where most of the action occurs.


Marcgravia sintenisii and rectiflora, because, why not! I can't wait for them to overtake the background!


The one jewel orchid in this viv, that seems out of place, but I have to have one! They like to poop on it...


Speaking of... I thought they never used the end of this wood, I was wrong. There's evidence of some mischief here!


This area with the tiny tears is a favorite sleeping space. Sometimes all three frogs are there, but mostly its two.


The FTS. I took out the snake plant in the front left and swapped it with the lemon ginger. The snake plants new growth seemed bleached from the bright joshs frogs bulb. The imitator viv has lower light and a shadowed understory, so I hope it does better there. The broms are beaming red. No activity under the cocohut, I was thinking about removing it until they are adults, but its like a jungle gym during feeding time.


And now, a couple shots of the green imis. My oldest son named him Ben. I think we need a suitable Star Wars name for the probable female!


Here is Ben a little pissed at my wife for interrupting his serenade. I asked to to photograph the one that was calling while I was working 6-12s in a row.


The young probable female. It looks slim in this pic, but she is rotund, as you will see in the next photo (my oldest son asked to use 'it' until we confirm the sex). It has a wonderful coloration that doesn't show in pictures. Golden head, gradation to green near the vent. The blue on these imis' legs also pops with my led. It has 12 blue led along with white, and red. I can't get over how metallic they are!


Here they are checking each other out. I was out of the room so I don't know how long they were together exploring. I watched them for five minutes on the glass, sticking close together. There wasn't any calling from the male, this was as close together as they got. When one moved, the other would be close by. They followed each other, but never staring down each other or chasing. The female (on top) bobbed her head shortly after this I took this. Its hard to describe, but it seemed a gentle moment. Maybe its just my hopes, but only time will tell.


Here is the snake plant in its new home. Along with another M. sintenisii cutting!


There are three jewel orchids, I would love to propagate and have a little understory forest of them!


A view of the viv floor


I'm pretty sure I wouldn't need to feed them fruit flies except for the supplementation. There are soo many springtails! I bet froglets will love the leaf litter.


Speaking of springtails, I have two cultures. They are teeming white before I open the lids. So many babies right now as I harvested just a couple days ago. I feed bakers yeast and nutritional yeast. I think I may have dusted the top with calcium plus the day before a planned harvest, and the population exploded afterward.


FTS. I don't plan on having a moss background. There are some tiny holes from the great stuff carving, and I stuck some moss in there just as accents. I want a marcgravia jungle. Oak leaf creeping fig is on my wishlist as well. A couple broms don't hold water very well, will they grow new leaves and be able to at some point in the future? If you can't tell, this is my favorite of the two vivariums.

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Are you kidding? This frog's name would be Smiley in a heartbeat at my house, regardless of sex ;-)

Great job with these frogs and tanks!

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Are you kidding? This frog's name would be Smiley in a heartbeat at my house, regardless of sex &#x1f609;

Great job with these frogs and tanks!

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I’m surprised nobody in my house suggested that. It might be time to break up the number names!

And thank you.

Today I confirmed my thoughts about the green imis. I saw the probable female come out of its brom a few hours after feeding and chow down on springtails. The wood that comes from the ground to the back left corner is covered with them on the bottom third. I love hearing the male call. Sometimes quiet, sometimes loud, always from a brom.
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