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Old 01-02-2009, 03:44 PM
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i am kind of new to dart frogs. this is my first tank i made and it was for my azureus and citronella. tell me what your think.
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I like it!

All too often new people try to go 'all out' on their first tank and it ends up looking like pure crap. They usually make the mistake of using GS, which looks horrible IMO, and come out with a really bad piece of work.

You, on the other hand, kept it clean and simple. It has a naturalistic look to it and will only get better as it fills in. You have an excellent first tank. For your next one keep the same idea but experiment with driftwood placement. You can't ask for a better viv with a naturalistic setting like yours and a nice driftwood log in the middle. P.S. STAY AWAY FROM GREAT STUFF EXPANDING FOAM!!!!!!

One thing I would add is a drainage design. It looks like your soil may end up sitting in stagnant water which may not be so good for the plants.

Also, be prepared for the 'mixing' speach...
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thanks. i did use drift wood but i took it out for a little bit but im putting it back in soon. could you tell me more about that great stuff or whatever like the background because i want one but i idk how do put it in haha
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Many people new to the whole vivarium idea see great tanks from some of the most experienced people here, create a mountain of foam in the tank, and expect it to look good. I do use foam, but I experimented with how it works and what could be achieved (as far as structures, caves, etc.) beforehand, outside of the tank. But it seems you are off to a very good start. Keep in mind the whole "mixing" concept, but I didn't wake up to lecture somebody!

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thanks, i want to do the foam or background or whatever and i also wanted to make a cave and a waterfall but idk how to do any of that
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Great stuff is a liquid expandable foam that can be sprayed (in layers) to form structures that harden. People then cover it with brown silicone and rub coco fiber into it to create a kind of weird looking background. Within a month the coco fibers usually fall off so you're left with a glossy rubber background.

A better and more professional way to create a background with the intended effect is to put either epiweb or aquarium filter material (can buy in bulk at certain places that carry supplies for pond building) on the back of the tank THEN get a big piece of driftwood and prop it up against the epiweb. You can spot silicone the driftwood to the epiweb to hold it in place.

This method acheives the textured background that the great stuff was meant to do but it does it in a better manner. Also plants do not adhere to siliconed GS, but they grasp onto epiweb and driftwood.

Another plus is longevity. GS degrades and has to be torn down within a few years. The limiting material in my method is driftwood and the hard malaysian wood lasts for some time. Just make sure to get a really good narley piece.
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oh i see, cool. could you maybe show me a picture what it all looks like
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thanx you helped me a lot btw heatfreak i love your first tank
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thanks, but where is the search thing
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thanks, but where is the search thing
do you see the userCP thing its near there
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alright i found it
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thanks, i want to do the foam or background or whatever and i also wanted to make a cave and a waterfall but idk how to do any of that
This is another rookie mistake that I see quite a bit (I do my fair share of lurking on these sites). As for the cave, select a piece of driftwood that has a lot of tunnels and grooves. Place it so there are natural caves. This looks 100x better than any carved cave you could artificially make.

The waterfall is another thing altogether. To construct an eye pleasing water feature takes experience and skill. You can find yourself getting overwhelmed trying to jam too many things at once into small tanks. Research successful/good looking water features, find out how big the tank is to accomplish this, and build a few land vivs before attempting the waterfall. The last thing you want is to spend lots of $$$$$ on pumps, foam, blah blah blah and end up with something that looks like crap.

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oh i see, cool. could you maybe show me a picture what it all looks like
I will post one of my little 20g tanks tonight when the wife winds down and doesn't demand any more holiday shopping.
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oh ok thanks
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Great tank man and nice looking frogs!
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anyone have like maybe a spare tank they dont want or would want to sell for cheep?
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Great stuff is a liquid expandable foam that can be sprayed (in layers) to form structures that harden. People then cover it with brown silicone and rub coco fiber into it to create a kind of weird looking background. Within a month the coco fibers usually fall off so you're left with a glossy rubber background.

A better and more professional way to create a background with the intended effect is to put either epiweb or aquarium filter material (can buy in bulk at certain places that carry supplies for pond building) on the back of the tank THEN get a big piece of driftwood and prop it up against the epiweb. You can spot silicone the driftwood to the epiweb to hold it in place.

This method acheives the textured background that the great stuff was meant to do but it does it in a better manner. Also plants do not adhere to siliconed GS, but they grasp onto epiweb and driftwood.

Another plus is longevity. GS degrades and has to be torn down within a few years. The limiting material in my method is driftwood and the hard malaysian wood lasts for some time. Just make sure to get a really good narley piece.
I wouldn't recommend epiweb, their are some horror stories about their frogs feet getting stuck in it etc. in fact their was one recently on these forums somewhere... Just my thoughts. But anyway nice tank!
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thanks tomorrow i am changing it though. tomorrow when i change it i will post a picture of what is is not and when it is changed. i am putting a false bottom in and a pond in. if i have room ill put a big nice piece of drift wood in also and i will have a coco hut to
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This is another rookie mistake that I see quite a bit (I do my fair share of lurking on these sites). As for the cave, select a piece of driftwood that has a lot of tunnels and grooves. Place it so there are natural caves. This looks 100x better than any carved cave you could artificially make.


yeah i wish i wouldnt have made the cave in mine
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oh i see, why dont you like your hand made cave? i like my driftwood cuz there are alot of slots and stuff my frogs like to hide and sleep in it
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