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Old 11-08-2018, 08:15 PM
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Hello,

I just finished building my first vivarium. I only need to add a light bulb, which I broke while carrying it around due to my own clumsiness. I will buy another one tomorrow.

The viv has 3 "caves". First one is inside the small cork bark tube on the left, second is behind the lighter log in the center, and 3rd is behind the bromeliad on the little hill to the right. I used 6 bromeliads (5 species), ficus montana(5 plants), transcedentia quadricolor(2 plants) and a fittonia verschaffeltii, which is the sorry looking plant on the left, I hope it recovers in my vivarium. I also used some local mosses, but they wont be visible in some time. I am going to let the vivarium cycle for around a month before adding any frogs.

It is a 25 gallon tank and I just can't decide whether to get 2 ranitomeya imitators or 2 dendrobates auratus green and black.

Imitators would be my first choice because there is a lot of vertical space, but not so much depth, and it would be a shame for it to go to waste. However, these would be my first frogs, and I heard that they are quite fragile and are more sensitive, and they like to escape.

Dendrobates auratus are my close second choice because they might be better for a beginner frogger. Also, do you think that they would sometimes climb onto the log in the background? I added the small cork tube to the left beneath the log for ease of access.

Aesthetically I find them both of them very very pleasing, but if I would have to choose a favorite, it would be an imitator.

What are your thoughts?
What plants would you add or remove?
What frog should I get?

P.S. the picture is 2 comments down

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I don't see any pics, Andy, but I'd like to!
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I don't see any pics, Andy, but I'd like to!
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That looks nice. I'll bet most people would recommend a lot more leaf litter on the bottom -- a couple layers.

I've never had auratus, but imis have been problem-free for me. They may not tolerate radical extremes of temps or humidity, but you shouldn't have those extremes anyway. They can jump out quickly (I had one sneak out only once, but got it back it easily), but if you pay attention to whether they are right at the door when you open it, it shouldn't be an issue.
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i second the leaf litter comment.

Youll see two aratus more than two imis. If decide imis, Id get three to increase chances of getting breeding pair.
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If decide imis, Id get three to increase chances of getting breeding pair.
I do know that some people keep 2 M/F pairs to a viv that size. Though that might be a slightly more advanced housing strategy, I do see my imis much more once they start breeding.

I've not housed any frogs in more than pairs, so maybe someone who has kept groups can confirm whether my suggestion is a good one to give to a newcomer to the hobby.
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Hello guys, thanks for commenting.
I dont know what is wrong with the pictures, they look way better on my phone. I will try getting some during the day.
Will add more leaf litter tomorrow, but is it ok to leave a patch for some future moss, and should I add more plants? I'm leaning towards no, because I want to replicate that forest floor feeling.
Also, do you think that aurautus frogs will climb on the background log? I know it might seem like the climbing of frogs is too important to me, but it really would be a shame for all that vertical space not to be used.
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but it really would be a shame for all that vertical space not to be used.
Umm...the plants look like they're using it just fine.

There's actually a lot of info on this available. I'd hate to see one or two people tell you something they've experienced and have you miss out on the many, many years of experience that is documented here:

https://www.dendroboard.com/forum/me...g-azureus.html

https://www.dendroboard.com/forum/be...nes-climb.html

There are more to read, too; these are just the first couple that I found.
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Thanks for the links. Turns out, almost all species climb to some degree, good to know.
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