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Old 06-08-2008, 04:44 PM
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So I've been trying to figure out how to build this for several years. Several years ago I sectioned off a corner of my basement and built a "basin" for growing plants for the terrariums. The basin is made from 2x6's and pond liner.



Here's a close up of a side. The pond liner is stapled to the outside of the 2x6's.



I've been wanting to enclose the entire thing and put frogs in it but couldn't ever come up with a good plan. The first material I always think of is 2x4's for building something large. The obvious problem with any wood is exposure to moisure. There are many methods of sealing but they are either really expensive (epoxies) or possibly toxic (paints, wood sealers, etc). So I thought of using ChoiceDek or some other composite board used to build decks, but again they are pretty expensive and a lot of them have anti-fungals or UV resistant chemicals and who knows what else in them. So I finally settled on something I found at Lowes the other day: 100% PVC Trim Board. Basically boards made from 100% PVC, like the pipe. The ones I'm using are 1x3. And they are actually 1x3, unlike lumber which is quoted bigger than it actually is.

So the basic idea is to frame windows for the sides and for the doors. Hard to explain how it will attach etc. and to be honest I'm not exactly sure how it will come together. But I'm sure I'll figure something out and it will make sense once it's done and I post pictures. So here's a pic of how the frames will come out. Each board has a one inch deep by eight inch wide channel cut that will frame a piece of eight inch plexi.




I know the plexi will warp but it is seated an inch deep on all sides so it doesn't have anywhere to go. I am pretty sure it won't be able to warp itself out of the frame and that's all I'm worried about. Once put together it will be up and running for a while before I put anything in it. I'll post more pix as the work progresses. Comments welcomed.
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That should look fantastic when it's finished! Keep us posted I think you should be careful acclimating the plants to the high humidity too quickly though, leave the windows partially open for a while after you finish just so the don't go from ambient of 50 or less to 90%+ overnight.
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I can't wait to see your progress as it goes along. Keep us posted
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Rob, should be an interesting project to watch, thanks for sharing! Keep us updated.

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So I made some more progress today. Got the back left side done and one of the small panels on the left installed. For the back panels I used this "cracked glass" plastic sheeting that I believe is used over flourescent lighting in commercial use. It was cheaper than the acrlyic and since it is up against the wall, no need to see through it. I also decided for the remaining panels I will attach the top most piece of the frame with a bracket instead of glue. This way if I need to replace the acrlyic for some reason or decide to go with glass I can just undo the top and replace it pretty easily. To attach the panels to the basin I used construction strapping. Basically heavy duty steel. I wanted something that wasn't going to easily bend. The sides are just clamped together for now but I'll probably use some sort of L bracket to hold the corners.




I thought I would have a lot of gaps to seal where the panels meet the basin but by the looks of it, the rubber smashed down pretty evenly. I'm pretty pleased with the way this is working so far.


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LOOKS AWESOME! Takes me back to my days of large lizard breeding where you had to build your own tanks. I bet since it is in your basement keeping the temps you want should be easy



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looks like a great project!!, what kind of material are you using in the first pic that looks like reflective alunminum?
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looks like a great project!!, what kind of material are you using in the first pic that looks like reflective alunminum?
Got it at a local hydroponics store, very thin, they sell it in big rolls. I believe it is called "Sunfilm Mylar Reflective Film".
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Are you going to leave the mylar on the walls and keep the enclosure as greenhouse, or make a background and have it be more like a viv? Great project, thanks for the pics.
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I'm probably just going to leave the mylar up. If I tried to do a background it would never get done. I may try mounting some things on the back walls attached to the studs. Thinking about making some kind of shelf in the back corner. We'll see.
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I used to use the mylar myself when I was an orchid grower....my experience is that it didnt hold up forever under wet conditions...started to flake off if you know what I mean. FYI

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I'm probably just going to leave the mylar up. If I tried to do a background it would never get done. I may try mounting some things on the back walls attached to the studs. Thinking about making some kind of shelf in the back corner. We'll see.
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The mylar is not going to be on the inside. I'm leaving it attached to the wall and will just reflect through the back windows.
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So after pulling all the plants out of the basin I realized that standing water was going to be a problem. Even my 50 gallon and bigger tanks have enough evaporation that water doesn't become stagnant, but this one I think will be a problem. So I decided it needed to have some type of drainage. Which is a problem because the basin sits on the floor. So in order to drain I had to raise it a bit. Since I was raising it I figured I would put it on wheels so I could move it around if needed. So here is the bottom now:



And the hole for the drain bulkhead. I reinforced it with a 1x4 so there is less flex and hopefully no leaks.



I also figured in order to drain well I would have to make one side slightly higher. The only problem is that with the wheels, in order for them all to touch the ground and thus support weight, they would have to be different heights from the high side to the low side. So I put varying lifts of 3 different heights, from the hight side to the low side with the last (drain side) having no lift. I kind of guesstimated on heights and amazingly got it right the first time. All wheels touch the ground and there is about a half inch height difference from front to back.



All the walls are done too, so now I can get back to working on the doors and the top.
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Wow, I can't wait to see what the finished product will look like I have never seen anything like that done before. Keep up with the good work!
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Got the plumbing installed, bulkhead and 3/4 PVC. Pipe is angled slightly and will drain into an A/C Condensate pump that will pump the water outside. It is a lot heavier now and though I was able to carry it into the garage by myself I am going to need another person to help me bring it back inside.



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wonderful work rob. Is there a specific frog you have in mind for this project?
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I'll probably put some form of histrionicus in there.
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What type of substrate are you going to use? Bet you can keep a nice micro fauna population in there.
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Most of it will be Leca covered with sphagnum and leaf litter, but I will also do a section with some kind of soil.
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Amazing stuff Robb 8) Don't fancy using any of the soils Brent and Matt worked out? Looking like an awesome project man
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Sides installed, next up the front and doors.

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Exciting! that sure is inspiring. Keep up the updates.
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Looks great! Water feature in the future? How about some heavily plant mounted branches criss crossing each other?



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Got the doors installed. Couldn't find any 135 degree angle brackets so I just used hinges and they worked well. Things didn't quite line up exactly on the sides and I have a small gap the length of the door frame that I'll fill with caulk. Now for the top...



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wonderful work rob. Is there a specific frog you have in mind for this project?
I was under the impression that the Greenhouse was for plants to grow out to use in other tanks not to raise frogs in.

Although I do believe that frogs would really love it in there.

I want to do a huge tank to grow plants in also. Theres more large plants than there are small or miniature plants for small tanks.

Fantastic job so far.

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I was under the impression that the Greenhouse was for plants to grow out to use in other tanks not to raise frogs in.
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I hope to use it for both purposes. I'll still have it stocked with a lot of plants that I can trim to use in other tanks, but I hope that the extra space will be conducive to increased production in some of the harder species. We'll see how that theory pans out.
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That's cool,when I use this stuff for trim work I use a biscuit joint for any 90 degree angles.It work's really well.
Very cool wish I had the room.
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That's cool,when I use this stuff for trim work I use a biscuit joint for any 90 degree angles.It work's really well.
Very cool wish I had the room.
I thought about using biscuits but wanted to make it "deconstructable" in case I move from my current house. So I went with exterior deck screws and they are working our really well. The gaps, if any are very minor.
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Amazing. I wish there was more glass, and less PVC, though. But for your use, it's perfect. Keep it up man, looks great!
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Amazing. I wish there was more glass, and less PVC, though. But for your use, it's perfect. Keep it up man, looks great!
The reason I went the 3 inch wide was because I wanted to seat the plexi an inch on all sides as I know it is going to warp and wanted to be sure it couldn't warp out of the frame. I also think that if I went skinnier the PVC would start to have too much flex.
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So for the misting heads I took a 1 inch Forstner bit and went about 3/4 inch into the board then came back with a 1/2 inch bit through to the other side. This is because the bulkheads are only about 1/4 inch "deep". This one will go across the top center. I will have two others parallel to this one.



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I'll probably put some form of histrionicus in there
hmm, wish that was an option for me :lol:

that would be pretty cool to see someone in the states keeping these frogs. if they are around people dont flaunt them too much. i want to see some! awesome project you have there btw.
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MAN, you are plain freaking cRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i ll take a lot of you ideas since i just bought a huge (not that much compared to you!!!) 85 gallon tank and im thinkin bout makin it a super dart frog paradise!
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I think I may have missed it but what are the dimensions of the sides?
I used PVC board to do some trimwork one time and I remember it being extremely flimsy.
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Really like that bulkhead fixture you made for the sprayers. The whole setup is also quite nice. Kudos.
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The dimensions are roughly 5 feet x 5 feet x 4 feet with a diagonal across the front to make a pentagon. The PVC boards are flexible but I wouldn't call it flimsy. I've tied everything together with screws and brackets and there is flex but it's not bad at all. The bottom is 2x6 boards for the sides supported by 2x4's oriented such that 4 is vertical. It's actually almost done, structurally anyway, just finishing up the top. Have a newborn that has taken up a lot of my time lately but I'll update with more pictures soon.
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I think the board your using is 1 inch and I don't remember the stuff we used being that thick, maybe 1/2 inch which is why it was flimsy. Anyway, really nice set up. Hope everything is going well with the little one. Congratulations!
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I think the board your using is 1 inch and I don't remember the stuff we used being that thick, maybe 1/2 inch which is why it was flimsy. Anyway, really nice set up. Hope everything is going well with the little one. Congratulations!
Thanks, definitely keeping me busy. The boards are one inch thick. They have half and three quarter I think. Finished the top today, now the fun part, setting it up
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WOW... this "vivarium" is bigger than the bathroom in my first rental. Now THAT'S what I call a "frog room"
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