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Old 10-15-2013, 03:52 AM
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This will take the place that my old 180g fish tank occupied. It will be a 60x30x48" tall peninsula setup. It will have 10" of water in the bottom/W a large stump center piece & a fake rock wall on one end.


This is my old fish tank, the silicone started to turn loose & leak.

I've been doing a lot of research & asking question for months in preparation for this. I'm planing on having fish in the flooded area tree frogs (thinking whites) & a pair of Giant Day Geckos in the branches with lots of plants & orchids


Made some alterations to what was the area the lights were in. Got the bottom piece of glass in place & wanted to see what the stump would look like in place.

Did I forget to mention I'm building this thing in place because I couldn't face ever moving it?

Also the little tank in the foreground is my other tank. A 3gal cold water marine tank. Here is a link to the build thread for it, if you'd like to see it. It's a very cool little tank.
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This is the view from the other side (the kitchen)


First four pieces of glass glued in.








Really I guess this was my first viv. Tommy toad lived in the basement all summer & hung out near where the AC water dripped into a floor drain & where the small light that stays on all the time is. When we turned the air off & the water dried up I put a lid with water in it for him. A couple times a month I see him sitting in his pond waiting for a bug to pass by. I'm assuming he knew better than to eat the big spider he shares the pond with.


Anyway there will be lots more pix coming. All the glass is glued together & plumbing done & have done the water test already. Just got the track for the glass doors so will be taking new pix soon.

It's taken most of the summer getting this far & I only have a little money each month to buy parts & equipment with so it's going to take awhile to pull it all together, but should be fun!

Thanks to all that have shared what they have done & answered questions!

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EPIC wood. Can't wait to see what you do with it. I'll be monitoring this for sure.
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I think your old fish tank is one of the best I've seen. I'm sure your viv will be just as nice!
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This looks like a promising build. Can't wait to see how the progresses.
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Love that wood, nice tank location as well... Subscribed
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where in the world did you find such a beautiful piece of wood...that is going to be fabulous... but you may want to rethink your frog choice..I love all frogs, but the only problem with tree frogs is that they are nocturnal...so you just get the sleeping mode...if you have kids, the Whites are a good choice, but that viv is going to be just awesome...put Azureus or a colorful large type dart in there...am subscribed....have a blast
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This is going to be a nice setup. I love the big builds. Subbed!
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I can't wait to see how this thing looks in the end! I'm very envious of that stump

I also have always been fascinated with coldwater tanks and I especially like yours I really need to get one someday...
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There are already a few vivs that imitate Grimm's epic viv. My advice is to do something original, drawing on your experience of fishkeeping. A layout like that of your fish tank would be great, IMO.
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There are already a few vivs that imitate Grimm's epic viv. My advice is to do something original, drawing on your experience of fishkeeping. A layout like that of your fish tank would be great, IMO.
Grimm wasn't the first to have done a peninsula...he just made one of the better examples of a peninsula set up...

I'd say just do whatever accentuates that wood the best. That thing is so epic I can't get over it.
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That is a great piece you have. My question though, is why is there such a huge spider in your basement lol
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I am referring to the layout. I do not know previous examples to Grimm's viv (thanks for info), but the two or three peninsula vivs that I know they have a layout very similar - although they are also wonderful!
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where in the world did you find such a beautiful piece of wood...that is going to be fabulous... but you may want to rethink your frog choice..I love all frogs, but the only problem with tree frogs is that they are nocturnal...so you just get the sleeping mode...if you have kids, the Whites are a good choice, but that viv is going to be just awesome...put Azureus or a colorful large type dart in there...am subscribed....have a blast
The wood came from Manzanita Burlworks - Individual Aquarium Wood and Driftwood Pieces

He puts up new pix from time to time, so if your looking check back often (thats what I did till I found these)

I chose tree frogs because there will be very little land in this setup. I know they're nocturnal, that way the frogs & lizards wont get in each others way.
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Thanks for the link! I've been trying to find some nice pieces for some builds I'm currently planning
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Thanks for all the positive replies.

As for this setup looking like some other one or ones. I'm new to all this & not familiar with the others. This tank is simply taking the place of my old fish tank which was a peninsula setup & I got the wood because I had never seen such a nice piece before & it fit in the tank perfectly.

And as of this morning the spider is still in the same spot. My wife wants him gone!

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Some new pix


Track is in but no doors yet.


This is just the first stab at the size & shape of were the land will be. Faux rock wall with deep crevices will go most of the way up the end wall from the land area.


The space between the stumps is set & held in place by some lag bolts & zip ties. It will have substrate filling it for probably the largest orchid in the tank.


The water return pipe. I wanted the return water to be dispersed/diffused so I made up this rig. I did a water test & it works great. Some water goes into the glass at the end, some straight back, most back at an angle. I plan to hide it in a fake rock.


The return pump & plumbing. The drain pipes will probably be refined some, this was just pieced together for the water test. The paludarium water level is not a lot higher than the filter, so not a lot of water pressure on the overflow water. That's why the plumbing is a bit different. It's hard to see but there is a 4" tall opening across the back so I can get to the overflow plumbing. That's why the shelf on the back wall.


This is the tank I used for the filter for the discus. It is way over kill for the paludarium but I had it already so might as well use it.


This is what it looked like with the filter media in it.

That's about it for now. I'll be ordering the misting system & couple other things this week. Next will be foam fitting & carving. More pix then.

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beautifully designed set up. will love to see how the build goes, keep up the good work.
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Great job! It looks like a work of hydraulic engineering!
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Looking great so far. I agree with everyone else about that stump... It really looks fantastic.

I found a really nice huge piece once from a place that sells wood for vivariums and/fish tanks. After I got I was a little suspicious of the wood type. After a little back and forth with the seller I finally found out it was cedar. Huge disappointment and a waste of money. Anyway, I'm glad you were able to find a nice piece of manzanita like that. It will really be a showstopper.
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The tank is coming along nicely Jim!
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Thanks all!

I am so excited! I got my foam & hot wire cutter & placed an order with Josh's Frogs (Zach is so helpful!!!) for misting system, some lights & heat for basking spot. Will start foam work this weekend & start on the hood while waiting for grout to cure etc.

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Woooow I only wish I can do this! Simply amazing!

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This is already in my top 10 favorite vivariums and it isn't a quarter of the way completed yet.
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holy crap! nice size tank i say!
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Why is everyone so jealous/desirous of Jim's wood?!
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On a personal note that might be of interest to some. I glued all this glass together with Silicone sealant from Drs F&S. All I had ever heard about building tanks was clean the glass good & use 100% silicone. After this was all put together I ran across the fact that there is silicone sealant & silicone adhesive. The adhesive is much stronger & should be used for tank building & the sealant should be used for sealing.

I have spent the last three days on Reef Centrals DIY forum (because there are a lot of tank builders on that site) trying to find out if this should be OK sense it's only 10" of water & wide glue seams. No one would or could say for sure if it should be OK, nor had any suggestions of what to do to be sure. I did find out the best silicone to use for under pressure use is Momentive RTV 100 series (108 being the clear thicker stuff we are familiar with).

Just to be sure I'm going to trim & clean the silicone off the inside bottom seams & glue (with the better stuff) a strip of glass in the seams to reinforce the bottom seams. Might not be necessary, but this has been & will be even more work to bring together, so what's a little more work for peace of mind.

At the same time I lost 132 GB of mostly photos on my work computer. most was backed up but not a couple personal shoots I just did & needed badly. Spent a lot of time & some money trying to recover them & don't think what I need is in there. Crap!!!

Also went looking for grout. Lowe's had the colors I wanted, but half needed to be ordered. Sadly it takes 2 weeks for special order grout because of the way it has to be shipped. The good news is I got the black & two grays, so after carving the foam I can do the first coat or two.

Thanks for all the nice comments
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do what you will but i wouldn't over think your silicone issue. as long as you fill your water feature to max capacity and test for leaks you should be safe.

if your looking for a good aquarium safe sealant, i use dap brand. its pricey and comes in a small tube but it hold up very well even at small measures.

loving your build btw. looking at your other tanks, you seem to have that creative touch thats hard to come by. looking forward to your future posts
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I really think it would be OK. Sense this is replacing a name brand tank that the silicone started turning loose & leaking, I'm a bit gun shy.

Got some of the foam cut & put in. Pix soon!

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This could be great! Time will tell I do love your attention to detail, and your tiny reef is an absolute GEM!

That driftwood looks pretty sweet. Do you plan on hiding the flat section that was cut once planted?
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If your talking about the tops of the stumps? Yes I scooped the tops out a bit so water would drain & I plan to put plants on the tops & in the big crack between them. Already have a bunch of branches & some will probably lay across the top of the stump for more planting surface area. Wont know how it will all come together till the fake rocks are done. I knew this would take a good while but the more I do the more I realize there is to do yet. No telling how long it will take to really be done & planted & stocked with critters.

This is worse & better than reef tanks to pull together. It all depends on how it's going at the time. My computer problems have put a big damper on everything right now.
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Well worked on the lower part of the rock wall. What a learning curve!






This one is the view from my chair, the important one.

Obviously a lot more work to do. I hope with lots more work & refinement & not to mention grout, it will look more rock like & less surfboard like. There will be rock going most the way to the top above this. Wanted the rock under & just above the water line to look smoother & more water worn. Want the rocks above to look more like rocks that rain runs over & erodes large groves. The water line is right above the wide edge of the ledge.
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Very nice, I especially like the view from your couch. It gives great sense of depth.

Will there be fish in the water area?
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Very nice, I especially like the view from your couch. It gives great sense of depth.

Will there be fish in the water area?
Yep fish will be the first thing to go in, mostly because I know & have what is needed for them. The plants (orchids) & frogs will come when all the lighting, misting etc are stable.

As you all could probably tell I was less than thrilled with my first effort at fake rocks. After much thought & a little testing I think I have come up with a way to make foam look more like rocks, that wont take over my life. I do wood sculpting so I was trying to do something like that with the foam. It doesn't work so well! I'll post pix of round two.
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It shows you have experience with sculpting. I think you're being too hard on yourself, it looks awesome so far!

Just make sure rock details are "deeper" or more pronounced at the carving stage because the small details will smoothen when it's coated.
You could use normal grout in the water part and then add some coarser grit to the grout you use on top. Maybe that would give you some more depth. Just a thought
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This is coming along wonderfully.

For what it's worth, after a few issues with some of my old DIY builds I now only build large aquariums with RTV108, but with only 10" of water and wide clean seams I think you'll be fine with regular silicone sealant (vs. one of the industrial silicone adhesives).
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