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You make a good point and just by you contributing this thread to the forum will raise awareness.

I honestly looked into it after reading this so im sure others have too.

In fact, i wouldnt mind owning some M. Expectatas. (The blue legged are beautiful).

(If anyone has these available or knows someone who does, pls PM me.)
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I remember saying money is what motivates most people in the hobby. Many people disagreed. However, money will always motivate what frog is bought and breed, just like money will dictate what animal goes extinct and what lives. I find it quite sad.
Yeah. That's true. We see it here all the time, people asking which frogs are the most valuable...


Edit: make that expensive. They're all valuable.
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Mantellas are rare. And Steve's right these need to breEd like crazy. But nobody has anything to offer but the same old stuff. Doug and ray and a few others have showed and told us good things but we need others to show us pics and tell us info on breeding.

And many thanks to devin for what you do everyday.
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Mantellas are rare. And Steve's right these need to breEd like crazy. But nobody has anything to offer but the same old stuff. Doug and ray and a few others have showed and told us good things but we need others to show us pics and tell us info on breeding.

And many thanks to devin for what you do everyday.
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With all the imports that come in over the years, I'm curious what happens to all the frogs.

Of all the aurantiaca that have come in, and people buying them, I don't see that many offered CB.
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I had produced a lot of cb aurantiaca in 2010, where are they all are now? Idk? I sold most of them to some of the sponsors here on d-board.
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Yes, I do.
Which species are you currently working with? I thought I posted this already... whoops
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I had produced a lot of cb aurantiaca in 2010, where are they all are now? Idk? I sold most of them to some of the sponsors here on d-board.
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Yeah, its hard to really manage as many as we can produce. I know a few folks still working with my CB M. viridis, M. aurantiaca, M. laevigata, and M. ebenaui, but I also wholesaled a lot of offspring (or even gave away many). The sad part is that most of them are probably gone. However, that is the nature of the beast. One group of Mantella sp. could satisfy U.S. demand. If of all those offspring one group breeds, well, the line continues. It won't be genetically diverse...that is a whole other discussion.

Doug, how many Mads and others did you send out the last few years?
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Hello Jake,
At the moment I have tads & eggs from my aurantiaca & bernhardi.
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I recall meeting a man somewhere not too far from Toamasina/Tamatave who spoke about how he rejected the offers of miners and did not allow them to build through his land. His pride when discussing it was pretty awesome...

In my experience it was very much like America... some people realize the gift we have, the ecosystem services that the forest may provide (that includes the joy of just looking at it, I dont mean just economic), and see it as something we must work with, not tame, in order for us and our children after us to survive and benefit from it. Some don't. Mind you, my experience was in a few small parts of eastern forests within a very large and diverse island...

I met many wonderful people, Malagas and foreigners (vazaha?) who doing some big things and changing a lot of minds.
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I sold 25 pulchra and I have sold 40-50 mads so far.
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Is anyone still working with viridis?
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I know a few folks with groups from me but haven't heard of any breeding, etc. I also still have my adult group but haven't bred them in a while.
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That's good to hear. Same here, I'm in contact with most people but the frogs are either too young or just haven't bred yet.
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Yup. I've lost touch with a few but still have their info.
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Maybe we could start a thread that acts as a mantella keepers database. It could be the name of member, species kept, and chart import dates so that we may diversify the genetics of our captive mantellas. I think this would be an invaluable tool to help eachother with locating stock, diversifying the gentics within breeding groups, and can be a resource for tips that members are able to share to help others find successes in care and breeding in general.

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I have viridi, baroni, and aurantiaca.

No breeding yet. My aurantiaca were calling a lot throughout the fall but haven't heard any since
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Anyone working with crocea?I'd like to get a group of these guys if someone has them available.

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I believe Understory has some in stock.
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I have a group of crocea, they are on a very long break because the females were laying weekly and needed to get some fat built up. These are Devins line, maybe 5 years old now, just around 5, from Doug. Doug do you still have the others from the group? I sold some of the offspring from my group locally but do not know where they went. There was pretty high froglet mortality in the latter clutches. The parents were supplemented with rep-cal, herptivite, repashy CP, and retinyl palmitate vit. A once a month but it didn't seem to help. The tads I tried a mix of about 3 different fish foods,spirolina, algae wafers, cyclopeez, tad bites, and water bears. The problems always occurred at metamorphosis and a lot of the froglets just wasted away. I did water tests for ammonia, nitrites, pH, but could not find a reason for the high mortality in later clutches. The water where I live is pretty good so don't think it was that but who knows. I've been keeping the parents really dry because I do not have time for the tadpoles now but I'm hoping that when I start misting again the froglets will fare a bit better.
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I have a group of crocea, they are on a very long break because the females were laying weekly and needed to get some fat built up. These are Devins line, maybe 5 years old now, just around 5, from Doug. Doug do you still have the others from the group? I sold some of the offspring from my group locally but do not know where they went. There was pretty high froglet mortality in the latter clutches. The parents were supplemented with rep-cal, herptivite, repashy CP, and retinyl palmitate vit. A once a month but it didn't seem to help. The tads I tried a mix of about 3 different fish foods,spirolina, algae wafers, cyclopeez, tad bites, and water bears. The problems always occurred at metamorphosis and a lot of the froglets just wasted away. I did water tests for ammonia, nitrites, pH, but could not find a reason for the high mortality in later clutches. The water where I live is pretty good so don't think it was that but who knows. I've been keeping the parents really dry because I do not have time for the tadpoles now but I'm hoping that when I start misting again the froglets will fare a bit better.
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Did you see any bloating in the tadpoles or the metamorphs? Tardigrades, you fed them tardigrades?

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I still have my eight crocea. I have had problems with tadpoles not thriving and slowly wasting away. The last time I had four successful froglets morph out, I kept the water well aerated, almond leaves, and a varied tadpole diet. I used salvinia for keeping the tank clean.

The last few seasons I wasn't serious about crocea though since I was swamped with pulchra and mad tads. The goal this year is to produce crocea and ebenaui before mads.

It's a given that the mads will reproduce. I usually can't stop them!
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Did you see any bloating in the tadpoles or the metamorphs? Tardigrades, you fed them tardigrades?

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No bloating. Looked on google, definitely not tarigrades those things are horrifying to look at. The fish person I got them from labeled them water bears but they were daphnia, thought they were the same thing but no, not at all I see now.

Yea Doug , I used a lot of sponge filters and that seemed to work well. Lots of algae that would collect on the sponge which made good food.

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No bloating. Looked on google, definitely not tarigrades those things are horrifying to look at. The fish person I got them from labeled them water bears but they were daphnia, thought they were the same thing but no, not at all I see now.
Interesting.... I may need to mess with some mantellas eventually, more diet trials...

Tardigrades are cool..the part that made me surprised was the fact that they are really tiny..

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Ed, and the fact they can survive living in the vacuum of space...
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Interesting.... I may need to mess with some mantellas eventually, more diet trials...

Tardigrades are cool..the part that made me surprised was the fact that they are really tiny..

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Ed, and the fact they can survive living in the vacuum of space...
And that is part of what makes them so cool....

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There was an article by Tor in issue 2.1 of Leaf Litter about the 'passive feeding' of Mantella tadpoles and the system he designed to work with them. I've been using a similar philosophy in a lot of the riparian type Dendrobatids I keep...a more 'natural' system with a clay-type or sandy substrate, a large buildup of detritus and mould, etc.
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If we ever send a probe to look for life on the Jovian moons Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto, we might find tardigrades already there, or accidentally introduce them

They certainly look alien to me!

The biggest obstacle I've had with tadpoles is combating tail / finrot. It occurs when the tank water is cloudy and there isn't enough beneficial, autotrophic bacteria to outcompete the heterotrophic type. It's a delicate balance of the right amount of tank sponge filtration, and plant life. Normally, I don't eliminate the problem until the Salvinia takes over the entire tank. Most tadpoles with tail / finrot will recover as long as it doesn't ruin the entire tail.

Salvinia is very useful for allowing froglets to climb out onto.

Also-- here's a warning for those with my red expectata. Do NOT use oak leaves or almond leaves or heavy tannins. I killed my tadpoles several times that way until I decided to raise them without tannins. It makes sense since the frogs live around alkaline cliffs.
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I believe there are plans to do so on purpose with the first probe that's heading out that way.
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I believe there are plans to do so on purpose with the first probe that's heading out that way.
I sure hope not! This could have disastrous repercussions for any native organisms in those places. Like introducing the cane toad to Australia! (except in space haha)
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Cane toads in spaaaaccceeeee....
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You guys (with the exception of perhaps Ray) are in the dust.

I have red expectata, standard expectata, and now mad tadpoles
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