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Old 12-01-2014, 09:57 PM
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So I've had this Exo Terra turtle tank lying around for ages, along with this awesome piece of driftwood and an old Exo Terra dual top canopy(one daylight tube, one 5%uv tube and 2 halogen spots) and just wondered whether it would work for one of the smaller species of turtle.

The water would come up to the edge of the main body of the driftwood(8" deep) and the bulbs would be 4-6" from the driftwood.

Would this work?
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How large is the tank? I believe there are a few different sizes that exo terra sells.

From the pictures you included, it looks like a stinkpot musk turtle could be a good choice you. Most mud or musk turtles are pretty small and max out under 5 inches generally. Another to look into is a Reeve's turtle as they are pretty tiny, too.

Good luck, turtles are very fun little guys! I used to keep a few species and even bred a few tortoises when I lived in California, but its been a while since I've had any long term. My frogs, Uromastyx, and reef tanks have left me no room for any shelled friends

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How large is the tank? I believe there are a few different sizes that exo terra sells.

From the pictures you included, it looks like a stinkpot musk turtle could be a good choice you. Most mud or musk turtles are pretty small and max out under 5 inches generally. Another to look into is a Reeve's turtle as they are pretty tiny, too.

Good luck, turtles are very fun little guys! I used to keep a few species and even bred a few tortoises when I lived in California, but its been a while since I've had any long term. My frogs, Uromastyx, and reef tanks have left me no room for any shelled friends

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It's the 2ft turtle tank. Do you think this lighting would work ok till I find something better?

Yeah we had a large slider that lived outside in a huge container when I was a kid but I must have been very young because I can barely remember, So decided I need another turtle in my life haha. Also while im trying to relive my childhood I always wanted and Axolotl, so I might be setting up a cool little 2ft aquarium for one of those too
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Nice! I love axolotls, they are surprisingly interactive and very fun.

I think that size tank should be alright for a small turtle like the ones I mentioned. If you have space for a larger tank, it would be better to use something along the lines of a 40 gallon breeder. A tank that size is not a "requirement" though, just better. Your lighting should be good as well, just as long as the halogen bulbs give you a nice basking spot. Stinkpots are not much of a basking turtle, but some do bask regularly.

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Thanks for helping me out. Hopefully will be getting started on this project after the new year. Got a pretty good idea of how I want this to turn out

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Second vote for a stinkpot. 3 stripe or other small Kinosternon would do well. Also spotted turtles.
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Second vote for a stinkpot. 3 stripe or other small Kinosternon would do well. Also spotted turtles.
Thanks man. There is a nice little stinkpot in a local pet store, no bigger than an inch and a half atm that might have to come home with me after christmas and new year if it's still there haha. Just need to get my aquarium sorted before I start this project. Then I need to find somewhere to put this
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Also, I know some info out there says they will eat snails, im about to redo my aquarium like I mentioned and was going to get rid of tonnes of Malaysian Trumpet Snails, would it worth keeping them to one side for the turtle paludarium?
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The Malaysian trumpet snails are probably too hard for small musks to deal with-I bet larger turtles will eat them. Even hatchlings have no problems dispatching pond and ramshorn snails however. They would be nice scavengers to have around.
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The Malaysian trumpet snails are probably too hard for small musks to deal with-I bet larger turtles will eat them. Even hatchlings have no problems dispatching pond and ramshorn snails however. They would be nice scavengers to have around.
Thanks for the heads up. There's always young snails for it to try snack on as they breed like rabbits. Been reading a bit more so plan on just stocking it with snails and ghost shrimp. That way if I get the shrimp to breed it has a renewable supply of food and the tank has a renewable supply of cleaners.
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Default Re: Any turtle gurus out there?

To summarize, let's get busy:

Any smaller Kinosternon
Spotted turtle
Bog turtle
Reeve's turtle
Dwarf African Sideneck (Pelusios nanus--expensive!)
Southern painted turtle

Personally, I would go for a turtle that at least occasionally basks; also, many of these species are temperate, so you will not need real high heat for basking.

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Thanks for this info

Hopefully this canopy should be good enough till I get something a bit better to do the job. I have a bottle of calcium D3 just incase too.
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Stripped down my aquarium setup and gave most of my plants, fish and equipment to family. Was gunna set it up again for a single axolotl but couldn't part with my dwarf pencilfish so it's staying tropical. Kept the layout simple, low tech, and easy to maintain. Thought i'd share some pics.
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Slightly better pic. Tannins make it look so much better in person. Love it
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If you are looking for a turtle guru I can happily assist =D. It appears you are from the UK so you have some interesting choices out there for turtles. Many of the ones listed are certainly plausible but may be hard to track down. What exactly are you looking for? Fully aquatic is really out of the question with a few exceptions, but semi aquatic or terrestrial are very doable.

Spotted turtles (north american) could happily live in that enclosure. But I would suggest only one. If you wanted to do terrestrial I know of a perfect species that would actually fit in perfectly to a dart frog style viv.

I am in the process of designing a string of 6 vivs for Geoemyda spengleri, the black breasted leaf turtle. These little guys are awesome! They thrive in ambient 65-75 degree temps with 60%-80% humidity. They are a vietnamese/southern china forest turtle. Basking is not something they do and a hot spot light is not needed. UV lighting is still up to guess work really, however I raise mine with simple lighting to grow plants and nothing else. I supplement their diet with calcium that contains D3.

They are a primarily carnivorous species as young, but will take fruit as they grow older. While they are not a very active turtle, they are incredible to watch. They become very active during their wet season, and generally when misted they will charge out looking for food to eat.

I know that Europe and the UK have a pretty good captive bred stock of this species. I know the Hamm show generally has some around. On the downside these will run you a pretty penny, they start at $350 USD here in the states and go up from that. But also, spotted turtles in the UK cost about the same if not more. I work with a fella in whales that breeds spotted turtles. So I can always help you out there if need be. Any other questions don't hesitate to ask.
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Hello Joe,

Geomyda have always intrigued me. Do you see them ever becoming more widely available? They seem to have many of the advantages of turtles without the disadvantages.

A large number of species have been raised without exposure to UVB. I really do think the need for this is overblown now that we can supplement with VitD3. Off the top of my head I know folk have raised Sternotherus, Kinosternon, Clemmys, Terrapene, and a few other turtles that are not super into basking without UV supplementation.
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Hey Joe, thanks for your insight. They look amazing little things

Just to clarify incase the enclosure i'd be setting up is the pictures at the start of the thread. The picture of the aquarium is just a random shot as I said I was sorting it out before I start a turtle project, just to show how it came out.

The plan was to set up a paludarium using the driftwood as a land mass but still leave plenty of swimming space as there is space around and underneath the land section. I was going to try create a bog/pond edge look to it and possibly try grow some species of moss and Utricularia, possibly fern on the land section, so was looking for a small turtle that would use both areas, and would be satisfied with the lighting I had available until I upgraded the equipment. Stinkpots looked like the most obvious choice from what i've read and what people have told me.
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Hello Joe,

Geomyda have always intrigued me. Do you see them ever becoming more widely available? They seem to have many of the advantages of turtles without the disadvantages.

A large number of species have been raised without exposure to UVB. I really do think the need for this is overblown now that we can supplement with VitD3. Off the top of my head I know folk have raised Sternotherus, Kinosternon, Clemmys, Terrapene, and a few other turtles that are not super into basking without UV supplementation.
Dendrobait, Geoemyda Spengleri are actually rather common if you know where to look. They are not really a very open market species, but there are a lot of folks producing them in good numbers yearly. You just need to know folks who produce them, due to them being endangered in the wild they are a hot commodity, especially when considering their needs. Many of the spengleri that are listed openly get snapped up with in hours. If you do want to hunt some down I can assist, but I would strongly suggest staying clear from adults unless you know and trust the seller. They still come in on and off with imports and let me tell you that they are an absolute nightmare to acclimate into captivity, vetting them can be hard too depending on the parasitic loads they carry.

I too have raised countless species with out the use of UV lighting. Generally I will install a UV light for very high end species or tortoises that are kept indoors, but even then I supplement. As long as you can keep temps proper, the enclosure in good condition you are pretty good to go with most turtle species.

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Hey Joe, thanks for your insight. They look amazing little things

Just to clarify incase the enclosure i'd be setting up is the pictures at the start of the thread. The picture of the aquarium is just a random shot as I said I was sorting it out before I start a turtle project, just to show how it came out.

The plan was to set up a paludarium using the driftwood as a land mass but still leave plenty of swimming space as there is space around and underneath the land section. I was going to try create a bog/pond edge look to it and possibly try grow some species of moss and Utricularia, possibly fern on the land section, so was looking for a small turtle that would use both areas, and would be satisfied with the lighting I had available until I upgraded the equipment. Stinkpots looked like the most obvious choice from what i've read and what people have told me.
Ah I see now what you mean. A stinkpot or other similar species would do great with that enclosure. Sternotherus or any Kinosternon would do great in that enclosure. Musk turtles (sterns) are primarily aquatic but you might see them haul out of the water every once in a while and are excellent swimmers. Mud turtles (kino) tend to bask a bit more, but are a little clunky in deeper water with out some branches or things like that to rest on.
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