Very worried about young tinc (not eating) - Dendroboard
Dendroboard

Go Back   Dendroboard > Dart Frogs > General Health & Disease Treatment
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read Advertise

Support Our Sponsors
No Threads to Display.

facebook

Like Tree3Likes
  • 2 Post By Socratic Monologue
  • 1 Post By TechnoCheese

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 05:10 PM
TechnoCheese's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Lewisville, TX
Posts: 65
Thanks: 13
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

Two weeks ago on February 15th, I picked up two azureus from Joshís frogs at the NARBC expo. Originally, both were eating about as much as you would expect from frogs newly moved in, but they were eating. One seemed to eat more, and was out more frequently than the other for a few days. Since then, the one that was eating more seems to not be eating at all (while still coming out fairly often), while the other has become slightly larger and much fatter.

They are being fed wingless melanogaster fruit flies dusted with repashy calcium plus once a day, enough that thereís still some left over the next day, so surely they canít be competing for food. There is a feeding station, but mostly the flies have been everywhere.

Humidity is reading 90+ at all times, and temps fluctuate between 65 and 72. Enclosure substrate is sphagnum moss.

Today, I decided to separate the one that isnít doing so well to put it in a Tupperware container about half the size of the 6 qt plastic shoe box they were both in before. Both containers have been thoroughly seeded with springtails, and each have a water dish and feeding station. Was this a mistake?

I tried to attach pictures of the new quarantine enclosure, the ďsickĒ frog, the old quarantine enclosure, and the Healthy frog in that order. Note that the ďsickĒ frog is much thinner than the healthy one, where you can actually see its fat from the top. Please let me know if the pictures donít show up.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg image.jpg (70.4 KB, 15 views)
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 05:13 PM
TechnoCheese's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Lewisville, TX
Posts: 65
Thanks: 13
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

Darn, it looks like only the last pic showed up. I really donít want to stress the frog further by removing itís hide, so Iíll have to wait to get another picture.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 05:59 PM
Dane's Avatar
Mod
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 3,474
Thanks: 145
Thanked 233 Times in 178 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

Looks like low-grade garden center sphagnum, which I avoid because it generally isn't very clean or consistent. What brand was it?
Any ventilation in the enclosures?
Reply With Quote
 
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 06:18 PM
TechnoCheese's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Lewisville, TX
Posts: 65
Thanks: 13
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dane View Post
Looks like low-grade garden center sphagnum, which I avoid because it generally isn't very clean or consistent. What brand was it?
Any ventilation in the enclosures?
There is ventilation in both enclosures. There are holes along the sides of the 6 quart tub, and a few small slits in the lid of the Tupperware.

The brand of sphagnum moss is Mosser Lee from Home Depot. I made sure to soak it in water, pour it out, and keep soaking until the water was mostly clear to clean it and pick out any large pieces or sticks, but I suppose it might not have been enough.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 06:27 PM
TechnoCheese's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Lewisville, TX
Posts: 65
Thanks: 13
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

Letís see if theyíll link here. I have tape going around the Tupperware as a sight barrier.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg image.jpg (74.1 KB, 14 views)

Last edited by TechnoCheese; 03-01-2020 at 06:30 PM. Reason: Add more pics
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 06:34 PM
TechnoCheese's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Lewisville, TX
Posts: 65
Thanks: 13
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

For some reason, I only seem to be able to upload one picture at a time. This is the original quarantine enclosure with the Healthy frog.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg image.jpg (76.6 KB, 10 views)
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 06:37 PM
Socratic Monologue's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Central WI
Posts: 1,318
Thanks: 59
Thanked 159 Times in 152 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

Mosser Lee is WI sphagnum, which is really poor quality (I know, I live here).

New Zealand (Besgrow Spagmoss) what we use for darts.

Have you notified Josh's Frogs? Yours is not the only case like this very recently.

Edit to add: 65F as a low might be a contributing factor. Bumping that range up 5F might not be a bad idea.
__________________
I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self-contain'd.

- Whitman

Last edited by Socratic Monologue; 03-01-2020 at 06:39 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 06:46 PM
TechnoCheese's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Lewisville, TX
Posts: 65
Thanks: 13
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Socratic Monologue View Post
Mosser Lee is WI sphagnum, which is really poor quality (I know, I live here).

New Zealand (Besgrow Spagmoss) what we use for darts.

Have you notified Josh's Frogs? Yours is not the only case like this very recently.

Edit to add: 65F as a low might be a contributing factor. Bumping that range up 5F might not be a bad idea.
Thank you so much, could you link me to a thread or two of the similar cases? I really hope he makes it. Don’t tell the other one, but he’s my favorite of the two.

Should I go ahead and replace the moss now, or use it more as a “for future reference” so that I don’t stress them out?

Last edited by TechnoCheese; 03-01-2020 at 06:50 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 06:59 PM
Socratic Monologue's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Central WI
Posts: 1,318
Thanks: 59
Thanked 159 Times in 152 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TechnoCheese View Post
Thank you so much, could you link me to a thread or two of the similar cases? I really hope he makes it. Donít tell the other one, but heís my favorite of the two.

Should I go ahead and replace the moss now, or use it more as a ďfor future referenceĒ so that I donít stress them out?
There is one other case, very recently:

https://www.dendroboard.com/forum/me...ilis-trio.html

I hope he makes it, too.

I don't know what to say about the moss. I'm not sure if it is a contributing factor in the immediate situation.
__________________
I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self-contain'd.

- Whitman
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Socratic Monologue For This Useful Post:
TechnoCheese (03-01-2020)
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 07:12 PM
TechnoCheese's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Lewisville, TX
Posts: 65
Thanks: 13
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

Should I soak him in anything to keep him hydrated? Or just leave him be?
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 08:49 PM
TechnoCheese's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Lewisville, TX
Posts: 65
Thanks: 13
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

He just pooped. Thatís a good sign, right?
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 11:07 PM
Socratic Monologue's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Central WI
Posts: 1,318
Thanks: 59
Thanked 159 Times in 152 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TechnoCheese View Post
He just pooped. That’s a good sign, right?
Yes, it means it has eaten something recently.

I wouldn't soak it. I don't suspect it is dehydrated, but it likely is very stressed. Peace and quiet is probably best.
Tijl and Kmc like this.
__________________
I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self-contain'd.

- Whitman
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Socratic Monologue For This Useful Post:
TechnoCheese (03-01-2020)
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 11:30 PM
Kmc Kmc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 296
Thanks: 23
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

There was a time when the green moss came in bales that that pulled apart in square flakes like livestock alfalfa. Hydrated, it was feathery and lush and regulated moisture in a nice reliable way.

Those days are gone, now it seems only the dregs are offered. I understand about not wanting to decimate the bogs tho.

I like the new Zealand and so do my guys but it really holds on to water, and when it dries boy does it dry. I have it in everyone's env to some extent. I monitor it and make unobtrusive replacement when needed.

I hope your frog gets better. I was thinking a little nudge upward temp wise might be good also.

I really hope he comes along.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Kmc For This Useful Post:
TechnoCheese (03-01-2020)
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 11:45 PM
TechnoCheese's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Lewisville, TX
Posts: 65
Thanks: 13
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

Luckily he does seem relatively active, so Iím hoping heís just stressed for whatever reason.
Encyclia likes this.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 03-03-2020, 01:41 AM
TechnoCheese's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Lewisville, TX
Posts: 65
Thanks: 13
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

Update, heís still not eating at all and even seems to run from the very few fruit flies I put in. Is there anything I can do to boost his appetite without stressing him? Iím really worried, I know they can go downhill fast. I wouldnít say heís deathly skinny, but he definitely doesnít have the chub that the other one has, and he has extremely little, if none, fat sticking out from his sides.
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 03-03-2020, 02:03 AM
TechnoCheese's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Lewisville, TX
Posts: 65
Thanks: 13
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

Wait a minute, I think I just saw him try to eat! Iím not sure he actually got anything, but he definitely lunged at a fly or springtails!
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 03-03-2020, 11:05 PM
TechnoCheese's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Lewisville, TX
Posts: 65
Thanks: 13
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: Very worried about young tinc (not eating)

He just chased a fly up the wall and ate it! I think heís finally eating again!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT. The time now is 05:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.