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Old 01-07-2020, 03:51 PM
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What functionality?

Provide some ideas and I'll forward them on to VS.
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Now that you mention it, I can't recall a single major update to the functionality of this forum in the 6+ years I have been using it (could just be my poor memory). That is a long, long time in the tech world. Is this because of cost, effort, both? Who would be a decision-maker on migrating to a newer version? Do mods have any say in this?

edit: Didn't see Scott's post before I wrote this. In answer, I would say the way the way the forum handles pictures, the private message system (specifically, I would like to be able to send attachments), and some filters (date!!!!) for the search bar. I would also be interested in what other people have to say about potential upgrades.

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some filters (date!!!!) for the search bar.

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Old 01-07-2020, 05:17 PM
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A few things I'd like to see (most of these stolen from Arachnoboards, which I would consider a more modern style forum):

Dedicated picture hosting (as has been mentioned several times); The ability to directly upload a picture, from a hard drive, to my post, would be great.

More reactions to posts; eg 'helpful, informative, funny, love, award, etc'.

Ability to highlight text in a post and have a little pop-up box with some functionality, like quote or reply.

User titles; different 'levels' of users based on post counts and/or support level.

Ability to have a 'dendro-supporter' tag so you can have custom titles. Ability for members to monetarily support dendroboard, but not at the level of say what a business would be able to. 20-40$ a year or something like that, would give you access to like change your username color for instance, have a custom title. Would also be able to do a 'supporting members' classifieds area and then a normal classifieds. I'm not sure what the normal classifieds area limitations are anymore but would make it easier to lower those to quiet member grouching about how they can't get to them.

Site 'skins.' Would be nice to be able to have several different themes for the boards we could choose from.

Updated link library/wiki and maybe just have it also host some general info: biology of dendrobates, can put all the care sheets up there, etc. Also place to have research papers go for discussion. I tried to start a research paper of the month on here years ago, but with little response I only made it a couple of months. Maybe worth trying again. But, once established, when folks are having discussions it would be nice to be able to just link over to another page on dendroboard as a 'source' for your info, similar to what wikipedia would do.

Have a media 'banner' and gallery that pops up on the home page of user uploaded pictures.

I'd like to see more of a push to highlight local groups and meetups among hobbyists as I think this makes the hobby far more enjoyable. Several facebook groups are useful for this, but for those of use who are loath to use FB it'd be nice to be able to do that on here more easily.



These are just some initial thoughts; I'm sure there are other things as well that folks are thinking of.
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Old 01-09-2020, 07:25 PM
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Boy, I've been on this soapbox about once a year for a couple of years now. This site runs on a version of VBulletin that is 2 major releases behind the current version. Everytime i bring it up in the tech sub-board there's noises about the new version not being stable, or this or that. It seems to work well enough for the Denver Broncos and NASA!
Seriously, the problem might be in the server version that this site is hosted from, or the php version. Hard to tell, but pretty much everything asked for is ready to go, OOTB, with a VBulletin update. The ability to accept support donations would probably cover the cost of the upgrade.
But we remain at the mercy of whoever is the: ROOT here.
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Old 01-09-2020, 08:39 PM
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Problem is ... VS has a zillion websites. I doubt they're real excited to make this change across the board.

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I suspect that DB must be one of the lowest grossing sites in the VS portfolio in terms of ad revenue, and if it ain't making money, they aren't likely to spend time/money on updates or function improvements. VS will never love this site like we do.
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I donít know who vs is, but why not do like some of the reef / aquarium forums Iím a member of, and charge for upgraded memberships?

Redo the sponsor section and get new / more sponsors with their own sections.

If itís a generating money thing, howís the time to generate. Facebook because of some pact with peta outlawed all animal sales, many people migrated to MeWe, but this is the perfect time to invest some funding and strike while the iron is hot.

As for me, the image hosting situation is horrible.. I hate that because a company decided to charge. Ton of money, we lost access to some very informative pictures that where really helpful. If there was a more streamlines easy way to archive those pictures and -route to them from the next company that decides to charge, thatís pretty important for the longevity of the hobby.

The search function isnít great, but Iíve managed to figure out what I needed.

I would love to see the site updated and modernized as much as the others are posting. But, I can tell you at least weekly I see posts on Facebook from people saying they canít even sign up here because of an error message they get.. I direct them to the email I was given, but it makes me wonder how many donít even bother, or just give up?

I really enjoy this forum, and I want to see it grow. I wasnít here in the heyday, but Iíd at least like to see a glimpse of what it was like once again.
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Problem is ... VS has a zillion websites. I doubt they're real excited to make this change across the board.

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So they are making people put up with this interface across all of their forums? Seems like it maybe time for a system-wide update. Time to drag them kicking and screaming into the 20th century (let alone the 21st...)!

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Time to drag them kicking and screaming into the 20th century (let alone the 21st...)!
How, exactly?

I'm in agreement that there needs to be changed in order to drive growth.

My perception of the order of importance:

1) Sign up issues need to be resolved. Signing up should be so easy that it's never, ever, ever mentioned.

2) Image hosting.

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3) Everything else mentioned previously by others.



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Old 01-10-2020, 02:11 PM
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Agreed. My assumption was based on what Ravage said about them being multiple major releases behind in the software that they use. I was thinking that many things on your list and the others in this thread would be taken care of with a software update. Maybe that is incorrect, though.

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How, exactly?

I'm in agreement that there needs to be changed in order to drive growth.

My perception of the order of importance:

1) Sign up issues need to be resolved. Signing up should be so easy that it's never, ever, ever mentioned.

2) Image hosting.

-----A wide gulf------

3) Everything else mentioned previously by others.



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It is strange that new users are not allowed to access the marketplace. It is the new users that need to buy things, yet this site will not allow access???
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Very good reasoning behind it.

Scammers show up to scam (post bogus classifieds and steal $) and nothing else. So by having to post a bit, you show a bit more who you are. The rules have changed regarding posting classifieds to help facilitate this a bit more as well.

Haven't had a scammer issue in years. Not worth the "time" investment to do it apparently.

It IS worth the time investment to become part of the community here.

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It is strange that new users are not allowed to access the marketplace. It is the new users that need to buy things, yet this site will not allow access???
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Very good reasoning behind it.



Scammers show up to scam (post bogus classifieds and steal $) and nothing else. So by having to post a bit, you show a bit more who you are. The rules have changed regarding posting classifieds to help facilitate this a bit more as well.



Haven't had a scammer issue in years. Not worth the "time" investment to do it apparently.



It IS worth the time investment to become part of the community here.
Why couldn't new user only be allowed to reply/buy/access the classified board? Is there no way to limit a new post vs a reply to a sale post? I read the board daily dont really post. Many people become "involved" by getting more involved in the hobby and interact with individuals or as more questions arise.

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Scammers can work in both directions. They can also try to "steal" what you have - by offering a good price and then finding a way to reverse the purchase - after they have the goods.

It's better all the way around to be a part of the community before participating in Classifieds.

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Why couldn't new user only be allowed to reply/buy/access the classified board? Is there no way to limit a new post vs a reply to a sale post? I read the board daily dont really post. Many people become "involved" by getting more involved in the hobby and interact with individuals or as more questions arise.

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IMHO a post count doesn't stop scammers or in any meaningful way, it does, however, deter normal people.
For reference, I sell on Facebook all the time to people who join any number of groups and have sold to many people who are brand new with no history and after hundreds to thousands of sales I have yet to be hardcore ripped off once and have only had a couple of sales that I felt the buyer was being unfair.

The worst scammers we have encountered IME have all worked their way well into this community and ironically in doing so they managed to rip multiple people off over and over in doing so, people who were also deep in the community.

So for me, I just view it as people selling lose access to potential sales and in exchange they arent protected to any significant amount that would offset the loss in sales. Heck sales themselves can help new people, almost all of us do some consulting when a new customer makes contact.

There are so many ways for a seller to protect themselves. 1 only accept payments from new people as gifts, you can even use venmo, if it really bothers you look at their post count and pass on the customer. I mean you can see their post count right there. Personally I would rather let the seller do that filtering on their own.
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IMHO a post count doesn't stop scammers or in any meaningful way, it does, however, deter normal people.

For reference, I sell on Facebook all the time to people who join any number of groups and have sold to many people who are brand new with no history and after hundreds to thousands of sales I have yet to be hardcore ripped off once and have only had a couple of sales that I felt the buyer was being unfair.



The worst scammers we have encountered IME have all worked their way well into this community and ironically in doing so they managed to rip multiple people off over and over in doing so, people who were also deep in the community.



So for me, I just view it as people selling lose access to potential sales and in exchange they arent protected to any significant amount that would offset the loss in sales. Heck sales themselves can help new people, almost all of us do some consulting when a new customer makes contact.



There are so many ways for a seller to protect themselves. 1 only accept payments from new people as gifts, you can even use venmo, if it really bothers you look at their post count and pass on the customer. I mean you can see their post count right there. Personally I would rather let the seller do that filtering on their own.
Yep. Totally agree. People that have more than enough technology in their work and personal life like me will just go outside the group to purchase. Oh well.

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Due to some life stuff I haven't time for ANY of my hobbies for the past year or so. I got rid of most of my frog collection and haven't visited the forum(s) in as much time. (Viv's are all still running though)

For whatever it's worth, I've been back for a month or so, and things seem slow around here. I noticed the absence of a few formerly active members, a few familiar faces, and the usual abundance of frequently repeated questions rapid-fired from 1 or 2 brand new usernames.

I also noticed the other forum (not affiliated with DB, but had shared members) closed, so half my frog bookmarks are dead ends now.


I think forums tend to wax and wane, and while there are still advancements being made in the hobby, there really only is so much to talk about when not answering the same usual questions (which is fine, but people probably get bored of it)

Also, I hate it whenever I have to use Facebook and have not been an active member for probably a decade. So I prefer forums for sales and discussion.

Also also, why don't people just use imgur for image hosting?
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Also also, why don't people just use imgur for image hosting?
I suppose they could. They could also use the image system that is already here, but they'd need to understand images and the web, since this is an older system and it's functions are: "closer to the bone".
Here's a thread I did on images and the web a while back:https://www.dendroboard.com/forum/de...mages-web.html
It needs to be pointed out that Imgur, like photobucket and those that came before, are just one acquisition away from monetization, image loss and/or restriction/ad-injection. The previous image hosts, much like the Suns that came before ours, shined for their time and then collapsed into either: supernovae, or black holes.

Facebook, Instagram, the usual suspects, have made us spoiled with their fancy image tools (and super servers, which cost astronomical amounts to run, BTW). But it brings us back to one of the most often mentioned desires for this site: Better image handling. If the site was more user friendly, and graphic dense- the popularity could explode- with a concomitant increase in marketability.
If VS (again, whoever they are) considers this site a red-headed stepchild, than why not put it up for adoption? The first rule of marketing is: it takes money to make money. No investment, no return. The sites performance is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If they gave it to the community, or another group with the means and will to make the site shine, they wouldn't have to listen to us continually pointing out how mediocre the site's production is. Leaving them free to focus on the sites that do keep their doors open and the lights on.
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Also also, why don't people just use imgur for image hosting?
Well, that is what people have to use, but why? making the hobby more accessible is a good thing and when a place like Facebook allows you to directly upload images right from your phone, computer, or whatever and link them in just about any format people like that. Also when you host images at free image hosting they often take them down or remove them, which is why an astronomical amount of older threads have tons of broken image links. Kinda sucks to go look through an old thread of reference and find most of the pictures broken. Web costs, and server space are so cheap now days that it doesnt cost hardly anything to properly host them first party.
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Well, that is what people have to use, but why? making the hobby more accessible is a good thing and when a place like Facebook allows you to directly upload images right from your phone, computer, or whatever and link them in just about any format people like that. Also when you host images at free image hosting they often take them down or remove them, which is why an astronomical amount of older threads have tons of broken image links. Kinda sucks to go look through an old thread of reference and find most of the pictures broken. Web costs, and server space are so cheap now days that it doesnt cost hardly anything to properly host them first party.

I agree, I think most of the forums I still visit has some sort of internal image hosting now. PlantedTank does, why can't it be implemented here? It would greatly help the community.
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