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Old 10-25-2007, 05:47 PM
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Default phyllobates terribilis

Hi @ all,

we have a big problem here in germany.
Our politians have decided to put ph. terribilis on a list which forbids to keep and breed them because of their poison.

In fact terribilis is protectet at WA II. Breeding them is must in my opinion for the people who keep them.
So itīs all very confusing now.

We need sientifical articles which say that ph. terribilis are not poisoning when the they are kept in the hobby. Or that the offspring isnīt dangerous any more....

I hope somebody can help us!

Thankīs and greets Thorsten
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Old 10-25-2007, 06:16 PM
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:shock: that's crazy! So Hamm wont have a venomous room any more? (for any one who hasnt been to hamm they have flimsy delicup type containers for any thing from vipers to elapids :lol: )

Seems idiotic that they allow venomous snakes like that but wont allow harmless Dart frogs :roll:

Is it just terribilis or other darts?
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Old 10-25-2007, 06:18 PM
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Hrmmm...don't they know that all amphibians have toxins in their skin?
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who makes up these laws without doing any research? if terriblis are banned i am sure they will look to ban all dart frogs where you live. Wouldn't the grandfather clause apply here anyway?
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Daly, JW, Secunda, SI, Garraffo, HM, Spande, TF, Wisnieski, A, Nishihira, C, Cover, JF Jr.(1992) Variability in Alkaloid Profiles in Neotropical Poison Frogs (Dendrobatidae): Genetic Versus Environmental Determinants. Toxicon, 30:8, 887-898.
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Default German state forbit keeping and breeding of P. terribilis

Dear frogfiends in Overseas,
a German state called Hessen (Hamm is not located in Hessen - Hamm is located in North Rhine-Westphalia) forbit the keeping and breeding of P. terriebilis.

We think other German states will follow - also we think the European Union will follow this.
Maybe this is not just an eurpean problem - japan has similar laws to this.

So how could this happen?
There are worldwide organisations which have interest to make our hobby and passion as uncomfortable as possible. And its not only for dendro-keepers its against all herps. This organisations have a strong lobby in society and politics. They base their arguments on animal-rights.

For more information visit the German - dartfrog community: - I am sorry but its only in German language - but some of us speak english - if you have further questions, comments or help.

Thanks for your support

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