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Old 07-23-2012, 12:51 AM
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Default Epipedobates Identify help

Well I thought recently I may have 1 Epipedobates anthonyi Pasaje Sarajunga and 1 Epipedobates tricolor 'Santa Isabel'. I was under the impression I bought 2 Santa Isabel. I need help to confirm this. They just laid a clutch of I think 16 eggs all look good so far. I actually watched them lay them for about 4 hours. Really neat. My concern is that with these guys being different I may ruin the lines that I have right now if I begin keeping offspring. If that is true should I flush the eggs? This clutch is thier first ever. Here are the pictures

Female - has a broken line on the back with no patterns along the legs like the male has. Both same reddish brown color and same stripe color (greenish)
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:30 AM
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Bumping this up. I know someone knows the answer I am looking for.
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:43 PM
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Default Re: Epipedobates Identify help

Can you get any better pictures? I have had E. anthonyi "SI" froglets with very minimal lines like that female, but I think it will be hard to tell from just those pics what morph you have.
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:52 PM
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Default Re: Epipedobates Identify help

I don't have much experience with Epipedobates in general and none with Epipedobates anthonyi Pasaje Sarajunga. However I do have a colony of 8 E. anthonyi SI and they all have the three stripes on the back. Colors range from a minty green to a blueish color but none of them are missing the stripe in the middle of the back.
I agree with freaky tah that your pics could be better, but to me just from those pics I don't think they look alike. Not saying this is that final answer, just my thoughts at this point.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:02 PM
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If they are not alike should I get rid of the eggs? I would not want to mislead anyone if I were to sell them and I do not want a bunch of unpurelines in my collection because I would only look to keep about 4 of them.

I will try to get a better picture. My camera has been broken so I have had my friend use his phone for pictures. I will describe best I can for the mean time. Both have the same muddy red color. Both have the same stripe color as minty green. The difference is the Male has a solid stripe down the back to where the female doesn't. Also the female dose not have the striping that the male has that is all around the back legs. I
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:09 PM
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The female is defiantly not a Santa Isabel the male looks like it though.

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Old 07-23-2012, 08:11 PM
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Default Re: Epipedobates Identify help

You can't base population on phenotype, unfortunately. I would check on lineage. They both look like pasaje-sarajunga to me.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:30 PM
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Stem I think you are right. I may just be second guessing myself. I am just waiting for a call back from the place I purchased them from. I looked alot closer at the female and I see a faint markings like the male has on its legs. Very hard to see though. IF these are both pasaje-sarajunga then I will be just as happy.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:50 PM
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Well I just talked to Black Jungle where I purchased them in March and they said they have not offered any pasaje-sarajunga in the 2 years that the person worked there spoke with me. So they are Tricolors. I saw a add on the website of the pasaje-sarajunga and they looked alot like my frogs which made me second guess myself. Thank you for offering your help everyone. 1 phone call answered everything.
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I sold a bunch wholesale to them last year and they have a big breeding group now, though not sure if they have sold any
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:17 PM
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Nope, I sold a bunch wholesale to them last year and they have a big breeding group now, so they could likely be pasaje sarajunga.


She did say that they have not sold any froglets. But a whole year and they should have produced for them. I guess I need to get better pictures lol . Thanks for trying to help meI appreciate it. Just hoping I didn't have to take more pictures lol
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:19 PM
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PM some photos, or post. I'm sure they are SIs if that is what Mike/Rich said.
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:21 PM
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I didn't talk to Mike or Rich. It was a lady who has worked there for 2 years. I am charging a camera I just borrowed so I will get pictures up here and pm them to you.
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:48 AM
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:01 AM
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Looks like my pasaje
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:09 AM
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Ok thank you. I will go with what you said. I think the pictures i have looked at on the internet look like what you said. At least they are both the same
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:32 AM
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Default Re: Epipedobates Identify help

I would send an email to Mike/Rich to confirm. All I can say is that they look like pasaje but I wouldn't advocate going by phenotype alone. They should be able to confirm. If they were sold as SI then I'm sure that's what they are.
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Default Re: Epipedobates Identify help

My first frogs ever were a group of SI anthonyi from Black Jungle and I had the same dilemma. I thought I had one frog that wasn't an SI. I even called them and everything. As they got older and redder it looked more like it was supposed to. Hopefully this story helps. Yours does look like it has bluer stripes. All of my SI anthonyi have white or cream colored stripes, a few of them have a broken line down the middle but mostly solid. I have seen and owned some in the past that had a very broken line down the middle.
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