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Old 07-27-2015, 07:44 PM
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Default Santa Isabel variation

I have some variation in a group of Stewart line Santa Isabels. I am curious to know if anyone else has seen this variation? I have two males that have this pattern. In addition, they are darker and larger than the others. What do you think or what have you seen?




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Old 11-11-2015, 01:34 AM
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Wow, I may as well pile on to such an overwhelming response to your question.

Are you referring to the breaks in the lines near the back? Is it so unusual?

I only get fleeting glimpses of mine if I move the leaves away. Their lines are not perfect, if I recall.

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Old 11-11-2015, 01:37 AM
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Default Re: Santa Isabel variation

Thanks for one of the many responses 😝. The breaks in the lines are just one aspect. Their overall coloration is darker and they are considerably larger than the other males.


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Default Re: Santa Isabel variation

A few of my SA's middle lines are zig-zagged and unbroken but have the same coloration as yours. There is probably a lot of variation within the SA line. I purchased mine from an expo and the line is unknown. This is the best pic I have at the moment.
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Old 11-11-2015, 01:57 AM
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Cool! Thanks for sharing. Mine are Stewart line.


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I wonder if dominance has anything to do with coloration.
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I think the old SI line is just extremely variable from what I've seen when doing some research on them for purchasing my own group. Here's a good representation of that variability from a current for sale ad on the board (not my photo, I just thought it did a good job showing off the different patterning) http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps4zzuy724.jpg

If I recall correctly, some think the variability in the older lines of different Epipedobates morphs might come from the fact that many of the morphs in the hobby originated through the Atlanta Botanical Gardens, where the free ranging morphs could have freely bred with one another (http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/epi...ml#post1898098).

I think we'll have a clearer picture of what might be the "true" SI morph once the new WIKIRI populations (Santa Isabel I and Santa Isabel II) start producing and proliferating in the hobby. If they seem to have a more consistent patterning than the old line, it may be some support for the ABG mixing hypothesis. If they're just as variable as the old line, then it might just be due to natural variation in the wild.
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Here's a good representation of that variability from a current for sale ad
After raising up many offspring I've definitely noticed a high level of variability, nearly exactly the same as in the picture you shared. A select few have very wide bands that run most of the dorsal length.

A single variation seems to be dominant in each clutch. The first clutch I raised came out mostly with broken bands, while the second had solid dorsal bands. These are coming from a 2.2 group, which I am sure is the reason for this.

However, I've never noticed anything like the coloration in the picture from the original post. What percentage of the offspring exhibited this variation?
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