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Old 05-12-2015, 03:57 AM
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Will melanogaster fruit flies be sufficient for E. Anthonyi Santa Isabel frogs, or will I have to learn to culture hydei?

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Old 05-12-2015, 04:17 AM
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I have found that my Santa Isabels will eat both, but as adults they seem to really like the larger Hydei!


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Melanogaster will be perfectly fine. These frogs are one of my flexible frogs though, when my hydei run low they get melanogaster, when my melanogaster run low they get hydei. But if I didn't have more frogs I would just stick with melanogaster only and I actually did for a while till I finally traded someone for hydei. In general I think you could raise all poison dart frogs on melanogaster alone its just a little harder to manage with the amount of flies you need to give the bigger frogs. The other advantage to melanogaster is if you have offspring they probably wont' be big enough to take hydei.
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Melanogaster will be perfectly fine. These frogs are one of my flexible frogs though, when my hydei run low they get melanogaster, when my melanogaster run low they get hydei. But if I didn't have more frogs I would just stick with melanogaster only and I actually did for a while till I finally traded someone for hydei. In general I think you could raise all poison dart frogs on melanogaster alone its just a little harder to manage with the amount of flies you need to give the bigger frogs. The other advantage to melanogaster is if you have offspring they probably wont' be big enough to take hydei.
I feed nothing but Melanogaster to all non cricket eating frogs. Everything from SI to terribilis take them happily. Like you said though with larger frogs or fly vacuums it can be hard to keep up at times.
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I'm not understanding the "learn to culture hydei" comment. If you can culture melanos, you can culture hydei.
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I'm not understanding the "learn to culture hydei" comment. If you can culture melanos, you can culture hydei.
I don't think it's crazy to say that hydei are more difficult to work with than melanos. I know they're not available everywhere for USDA reasons, but I've gone off hydei in favor of bean beetles anyway.
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I don't think it's crazy to say that hydei are more difficult to work with than melanos. I know they're not available everywhere for USDA reasons, but I've gone off hydei in favor of bean beetles anyway.
How so? I've been culturing hydei and melanos the exact same way for over 10 years now using the exact same media. Hydei take a little longer to start producing, but I wouldn't call them more difficult by any means.
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They culture the same way. Never saw why some pl;aces sell 2 medias. Thats a waste of money imo.
I will say hydei make me ever more so irritated when trying to funnel them into a cup. It seems they can climb so much better.
I just stopped keeping them since half my collection is to small for them.
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They culture the same way. Never saw why some pl;aces sell 2 medias. Thats a waste of money imo.
I will say hydei make me ever more so irritated when trying to funnel them into a cup. It seems they can climb so much better.
I just stopped keeping them since half my collection is to small for them.
Not only that, but Hydei are the masters of escape when compared with melanos.
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Not only that, but Hydei are the masters of escape when compared with melanos.
Ain't that the truth.
They are also much more obvious to the wife when they are on the lose. Besides my stopping mid sentence to listen to a call, lose flies are her biggest issue with the frogs.
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I find the black variety the toughest to work with. The golden H. tends to produce a bit more and quicker too. They are smaller usually and don't escape as much. I use melos as my main food however with larger flies and beetles as occasional treats. Tincs love melos.
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How so? I've been culturing hydei and melanos the exact same way for over 10 years now using the exact same media. Hydei take a little longer to start producing, but I wouldn't call them more difficult by any means.
In the winter they don't seem to morph quickly enough for me. I end up with a cup full of larvae, then a quick boom and I was up against 30 days already. Over the summer I was getting two or three regular booms before then, but just too much hassle vs the steady melanos.
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