what makes frogs expert frogs? - Dendroboard
Dendroboard

Go Back   Dendroboard > Dart Frogs > Beginner Discussion
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read Advertise

Support Our Sponsors
No Threads to Display.

facebook

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 01-15-2010, 07:54 PM
sly fox's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 161
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default what makes frogs expert frogs?

what makes frogs expert level frogs and what do experts do different???
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 01-15-2010, 08:00 PM
Julio's Avatar
TWI/ASN
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NYC
Posts: 10,080
Blog Entries: 2
Thanks: 7
Thanked 212 Times in 149 Posts
Default Re: what makes frogs expert frogs?

its not a matter of expert frog keepers, some frogs are just more difficutl to keep and are not recomended for beginners, there are a lot of factors that play a role into how well a frog will do based on its environment. Some species are difficult to keep such as Zaparros since they are finicky.
__________________
Have a nice day

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/ven...340-julio.html
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 01-15-2010, 08:52 PM
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 14
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: what makes frogs expert frogs?

if its like anything else iv had. be it reptile/fish/anphibian/spider etc i tend to struggle with the beginer ones but find the expert stuff easy to care for. its all arse about face with me ,
Reply With Quote
 
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 01-15-2010, 09:31 PM
edwing206's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Shoreline, WA
Posts: 1,125
Thanks: 79
Thanked 23 Times in 18 Posts
Default Re: what makes frogs expert frogs?

Also difficulty in breeding plays a factor.
__________________
Luis Gomez
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 01-16-2010, 12:15 AM
Boondoggle's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Vacaville, California
Posts: 1,688
Thanks: 197
Thanked 216 Times in 133 Posts
Default Re: what makes frogs expert frogs?

Typically beginner frogs are much more forgiving of "non-optimum" conditions. We may be offering a "beginner" frog an unfavorable condition and not know it, where as an "expert" frog will be kind enough to let us know by keeling over and dying.

That is a pretty broad generalization, I admit.
__________________
- Jeremy
Frogs have it easy, they can eat what bugs them.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 01-16-2010, 02:25 AM
MD_Frogger's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,025
Thanks: 11
Thanked 36 Times in 22 Posts
Default Re: what makes frogs expert frogs?

In my opinion...price...but then I have never worked with zaparro.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 01-16-2010, 02:45 AM
Woodsman's Avatar
Dedicated Supporter
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Staten Island, NYC
Posts: 2,747
Thanks: 340
Thanked 299 Times in 222 Posts
Default Re: what makes frogs expert frogs?

Some frog species require very small prey items and their progeny require even smaller prey items. I find that nutrition is one of the most difficult issues to deal with with "expert" level frogs.

Now, who is "expert", no one is. If they say they are, they are lying. HAHA.

Good luck, Richard in Staten Island, NYC.
__________________
Richard Lynch (Giant Orange, Regina, Citronella, Suriname Cobalt, Powderblue, Alanis, Azureus, Patricia, Oyapok, Green Sip, tinc Nominat, Leucomelas).
__________________________________________________ _______________________
If you raise poison dart frogs, you can't say that you'd never hurt a fly!!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 01-16-2010, 07:54 AM
SmackoftheGods's Avatar
TWI/ASN
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 3,029
Thanks: 63
Thanked 198 Times in 138 Posts
Default Re: what makes frogs expert frogs?

size and speed seem to play a factor. You'll notice many larger frogs are beginner or intermediate whereas smaller frogs are intermediate-expert. Many holes they can slip out of, etc.
__________________
Jake

Rank: Captain
Division: Frog Police
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 01-16-2010, 09:03 AM
MELLOWROO421's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Beaumont, CA.
Posts: 1,579
Thanks: 33
Thanked 69 Times in 50 Posts
Default Re: what makes frogs expert frogs?

There are lots of reasons in my personal opinion. First of all, many dart frogs require (or prefer) very different conditions than other types of dart frogs. Some do just fine in 60% humidity for extended periods of time with adequate mistings, others prefer 85+ or you may never see them. Some of my frogs will call at temps of 70-74. At 74 they turn off, while others prefer 75-78. Just the idea of keeping temps in those optimal conditions for that particular frog to thrive in itself may make it considered an advanced frog because of the real dedication and study/knowledge of its preferred habitat. Often times you find that once you have made an optimal habitat, they thrive on their own. Then you realize that's just the beginning. Too wet, too dry, too hot, too many, not enough... you get it. The problem is, with the ones that are considered intermediate, or advanced, typically they aren't as forgiving as the ones that are considered the typical starter frog. That's why they recommend starter frogs, and I agree they should. You will too after you learn a lesson or two.
Just my .02
__________________
Brian
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 01-16-2010, 05:07 PM
sly fox's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 161
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: what makes frogs expert frogs?

thanks guys, so the skills are

-knowing how to vary prey items
-maintaining constantcy in environment
-knowing when to change an environmental factor

<grin>
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 01-16-2010, 08:35 PM
Boondoggle's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Vacaville, California
Posts: 1,688
Thanks: 197
Thanked 216 Times in 133 Posts
Default Re: what makes frogs expert frogs?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sly fox View Post
thanks guys, so the skills are

-knowing how to vary prey items
-maintaining constantcy in environment
-knowing when to change an environmental factor

<grin>
Yep, and as regards you third point, having the experience to recognize whatever subtle way your animal may choose to tell you his environment needs changing.
__________________
- Jeremy
Frogs have it easy, they can eat what bugs them.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Do male frogs wrestle with female frogs? flapjax3000 Beginner Discussion 2 07-12-2009 06:01 PM
How do they choose what frogs are legal to own and what frogs are not? Saved Soul Science & Conservation 3 12-19-2008 02:05 PM
Pollutants change 'he' frogs into 'she' frogs Android1313 Science & Conservation 6 03-04-2007 02:48 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT. The time now is 10:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.