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Old 10-09-2019, 04:58 AM
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My girlfriend just got a 12x12x18 top-opening aquarium for free from her work and we would like to get some frogs.

5-6 years ago I got fairly interested in dart frogs and bought a 18x18x18 Exo Terra, and made a whole viv out of it (drainage layer, ABG, springtails, no background, plants, etc.). In the end, I got a Crested Gecko rather than frogs and the viv is still going strong (actually I upgraded to a 18x18x24). So I'm not a complete beginner. However, I've still never actually owned frogs and I want some help deciding what sort of set up we should get. The two main ideas are,

-- Fill the bottom with water (4-6 inches?), have a little sponge filter, plant it heavily with semi-aquatic plants (especially those that grow tall and reed like), get 4-6 reed frogs. Note that for this option there would be no solid ground, just plants over water, which I understand is natural for reed frogs?

-- Do a standard viv build with the drainage layer, a background (1-3 sides), deck it out with leaf litter and other forest floor oddities like seed pods and stuff, plant with broms and other classic dart frog plants and get 2-3 thumbnails.

Do these sound like viable ideas? Are the any problems associated with either of these ideas that I might run into? Are the thumbs OK for a beginner? How loud will the frogs be? What idea do you prefer?
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Old 11-10-2019, 07:15 AM
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Default Re: Just starting!

Hi! Im glad your thinking of getting to darts again, there awesome! But Thumbnails might not be the best first dart. They can be finicky, and can be hard to monitor. But if you think your ready, and make sure to do your research, it can definitely be done!

As for the reed frogs. Tree frogs are messy and without the soil for microfauna, bad bacteria can build up quickly on your plants. Unfortunately with live plants it's a bit harder to disinfect.

In conclusion, I personally recommend the dart frog tank, but i'm also a bit biased. A pair of imitators could do well in a tank that size, There bold and have a fairly soft sort of ‘trilling’ call.
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Old 11-10-2019, 12:01 PM
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Of all the financial inputs into frog acquisition and care (the glass box, lighting, landscaping elements, the livestock, and years of ongoing costs), the glass box is the least expensive part. Plus, a 12 x 12 x 18 top opening viv would suck to maintain. Absolutely suck. Aquariums are for fish.

If you want frogs, plan to get some. But plan around the frogs -- don't fit things into a box you happen to have, but rather research all the frogs, choose a species that fits your desires, and then plan the enclosure.

Viv are made for frogs; not the other way around. If you approach things this way, you'll have a much greater chance of success, and a much greater chance of this becoming a long-lasting hobby.
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