warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason - Dendroboard
Dendroboard

Go Back   Dendroboard > Dart Frogs > Beginner Discussion
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read Advertise

Support Our Sponsors
No Threads to Display.

facebook

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2008, 04:06 AM
shockingelk's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 410
Thanks: 18
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

I got my first frogs a couple months ago, an auratus morph. My plan was to get tinds and leucs next.

A local frogger not wishing to ship but needing to slim his collection before a vacation was offering 3 imis at a rock bottom price. So I got them.

One died by drowning itself - I believe an unavoidable fluke ... described in this thread: beginner-discussion/topic41430.html

But I lost the second due to my inexperience. I had them in a Seralite shoebox QTing, one was super small and I'd not noticed it out before being as it was really tiny and hidden in the foliage. Last week after not seeing it for several days in a row, I closely inspected each branch of vine - it was gone. Gone!

One or two times before, I had to retrieve a frog that jumped out during feeding, but obviously the little one jumped out when I had the lid open and I just didn't notice.

Imis will climb the walls and escape and they are super fast. I now won't open the container without checking to see if my one remaining immi is on the wall or nestled up against the lid. I'm meaning to get a large Rubbermaid container and plac the Seralite container within while opening - but this would seem impracticable once he's in his permanent home.

Your frog catching skill and judgment on whether to open the lid or not are two possible aspects of why D. imitators get the "intermediate skill" description. Hopefully my experience will make potential new imi owners aware of a potentially deadly mistake.
__________________
0.0.4 banded leuc
0.0.4 red galact
3.2 N. variabilis
1.1 azureus
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2008, 03:51 PM
elmoisfive's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
Posts: 4,324
Thanks: 0
Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts
Default Re: warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

When keeping thumbnails species in quarantine, I highly recommend fully transparent containers (or at least a transparent lid). Otherwise you can be unpleasantly surprised by escapees. Standard imitators also have the ability to blend in really well with any vegetation in the quarantine container, thus making them difficult to detect.

Of course thumbs are notorious for their ability to escape vivs given a moment of inattention.

Bill
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2008, 05:23 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: jersey city, nj
Posts: 319
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

I know exactly what you mean. I have yet to have an escapee but have instances where they've gotten pretty close. One likes to hide behind the probe of my hygrometer/thermometer which is by the vert door. You'd think he's hiding well in the back until you're closing up and see him perched right on the door.

Along with a fully transparent container, it's also good to not keep any dense foliage or hiding spots by openings either. Some may be bright and striking but they are skilled at hiding and retreating.
__________________
-tim

Most people never use their initiative because no one ever told them to

I proudly support the interbreeding of Dendrobatidae and Felinae
Reply With Quote
 
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2008, 06:06 PM
salix's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: No. CA
Posts: 1,451
Thanks: 3
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
Default Re: warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

I had the same thing with one of my intermedius. They are in a 20g vert. I opened the glass door to feed them and one was perched on the door just behind the latch. The latch is solid and you couldn't have seen it at all unless you looked in first from the side. I jumped quick and closed the door back up, but it gave me quite the startle.
__________________
Frogs & vivs? Enough to substantiate a diagnosis of OCD...
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 07-06-2008, 08:58 PM
Brian Ferriera's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bridgewater Ma
Posts: 625
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 2
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

Don't let this set you back I have know people that have lost tink's, leuc's and pumilio in similer situations. Thier are plenty of people this has happened to.
Brian
__________________
Join the New England Frog Group mailing list!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 07-07-2008, 01:11 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 393
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

When transferring frogs, or feeding them in quarantine, I always take them to my bathtub. I plug the drain and then take care of business. I am hoping that the bathtub sides will slow them down some, and that they show up nicely against the white tub.

I do the same thing with transferring flies in the winter, except I use the sink. Then I can easily see any escapees against the white sink.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 07-07-2008, 02:28 PM
pl259's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Merrimack, NH
Posts: 2,831
Thanks: 2
Thanked 53 Times in 41 Posts
Default Re: warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

Quote:
Your frog catching skill and judgment on whether to open the lid or not are two possible aspects of why D. imitators get the "intermediate skill" description. Hopefully my experience will make potential new imi owners aware of a potentially deadly mistake.
Certainly true with any of the thumbs or eggfeeders. Also true with larger, faster species, like E.Zaparo. Whenever I open the door on a thumb viv, I wave my hands in front and tap it a few times first. I then crack it open a little bit and peek in to see if anyone's still hanging near the door. Imis are especially tricky because they blend in so well with green foliage. I also keep handy, a large tupperware container to drop over them if they hit the floor.

It's also worth mentioning, not to close the door quickly. The frogs can just as easily jump onto the edge of the door and get pinned between the door and tank. Not a nice thing to do to a little frog!
__________________
EricG

Live in New England? Join NEFG now!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 07-07-2008, 02:48 PM
kristy55303's Avatar
TWI/ASN
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: over the rainbow usa
Posts: 1,550
Thanks: 14
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

personally, IMO any dart has the capability of escaping. Dart are very fast and obviously need to watch where they are located in the enclosure to ensure no escapees. smoe smaller darts i'm sure have the ability to be better at escaping due to their size. Don't let your heart sink over the imis. I think they could very well be a good dart to own. just be careful when doing any maintenance, feeding, etc. It takes some time and a little more experience, and you'll get a hang of it.
__________________
ASN Steward
USDA Licensed
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 07-07-2008, 04:27 PM
lamaster's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: St. George's Grenada W.I.
Posts: 133
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default Re: warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

Just like any aspect with darts you have to pay attention to what your doing and your surroundings. Imitators are great frogs just have to keep a close eye on them when they have a chance to escape.

Mike
__________________
Michael TWI
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 07-07-2008, 05:14 PM
somecanadianguy's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: vancouver bc
Posts: 835
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

a leason lived is a lesson learned.i have also lost frogs due to escape, it a pain when your colection grows its easier to miss them.so far one baby auratus mixed with my clothes in the washing machine, about 2 months after i sold the last of them. and my cat brought me a baby leuc , he was scared to death but turned out being fine.and i have had froglets decide that they were ready before they should be and leave the tad tubs up the sides on thier own, never did find any traces of a tiger leg froglet but found the remains of others.this is why i use a 10 gal for morphing as soon as they get front legs now.
and eric it to guts to post about this , you can teach people to be careful and thats a good thing.
craig
__________________
a few frogs
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 07-07-2008, 06:17 PM
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 44
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

I have velcro across the top of my door on my 10gal vert. I guess they really just don't like the noise it makes when I open to feed or mist it. As soon as I start opening and you get that nice velcro sound, they jump into their favorite brom, no matter where they are at in the viv. They also are just getting past the being real shy phase. The male wont hide now when he is calling and I feel the urge to press my nose against the glass, even the one I am hoppin is a female continues to go about business when we watch them playing tag.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 07-07-2008, 06:41 PM
markbudde's Avatar
TWI/ASN
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Seattle, WA, USA
Posts: 1,175
Blog Entries: 20
Thanks: 6
Thanked 41 Times in 14 Posts
Default Re: warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

It's only feasible with small collections, but I try and locate all of the frogs before opening the lid on my imis. If I can't find one or there is one that could make a break for it, I have my fiancee watch the lid while I'm taking care of the viv. That said, if I have to open the viv and can't find all of them, I'm a little uneasy until the all reappear. I wonder if this is a benefit of having a top opening viv.
-mark
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 07-08-2008, 04:52 AM
shockingelk's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 410
Thanks: 18
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

Quote:
Originally Posted by somecanadianguy
this is why i use a 10 gal for morphing as soon as they get front legs now.
Good advice. A 6 qt Seralite QT at $6 is not worth the savings as compared to an all-glass 5-10 gallon container.

My Seralite containers will from now on be put to use in housing feeder insects.
__________________
0.0.4 banded leuc
0.0.4 red galact
3.2 N. variabilis
1.1 azureus
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 07-08-2008, 01:23 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: jersey city, nj
Posts: 319
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

10 gallons here are only $8.
5 gallons are about the same price despite being smaller.

they're a pain to clean compared to any plasticware but it's so much easier to monitor and quickly open.
__________________
-tim

Most people never use their initiative because no one ever told them to

I proudly support the interbreeding of Dendrobatidae and Felinae
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 07-11-2008, 03:12 PM
Brian Ferriera's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bridgewater Ma
Posts: 625
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 2
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

looks like i jinxed myself posting here..Had a pr close to the top of the tank courting when i spray them they usually go down or go into a film canister together..the female decided to be different this tame and go up...So glad my cat was not in the room at the time
Brian
__________________
Join the New England Frog Group mailing list!
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 07-13-2008, 03:42 PM
kristy55303's Avatar
TWI/ASN
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: over the rainbow usa
Posts: 1,550
Thanks: 14
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: warning: immis are for the "intermediate" for a reason

lol......yes almost jinxed yourself. glad the cat wasnt around. my cat would have loved that treat.
__________________
ASN Steward
USDA Licensed
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mixing "Grey Leg" "Blue leg" vents? TheDoc General Discussion 11 09-23-2011 01:54 AM
Observations on Tadpole Growth "Warning Long Post" Darryl General Discussion 9 08-11-2006 09:37 PM
"Salt creek" and "Black jeans" MJ General Discussion 10 05-11-2006 12:06 AM
Good Reason to "Cycle" Your Viv Frogtofall Member's Frogs & Vivariums 34 03-28-2006 03:11 AM
Pumilio Import Location Data ("Bruno", "Almir rmelancon General Discussion 70 01-20-2005 10:06 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT. The time now is 12:54 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.