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Old 02-12-2008, 07:26 PM
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Hi there everyone! It has been since June or so since I got my Vents and now want to expand my collection further. I have always been very interested in the Pumilio family and love the Cayos & Man Creeks; so since I don't know the pros or cons of each(if they differentiate much) I turned to you guys for advice. I am mainly looking for their breeding habits, if they are more arboreal, and price ranges. I have been eyeing a 12x12x18 exo terra that I want them to hang out in.

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Old 02-12-2008, 10:06 PM
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hi! i would recommend at least a 20gal tank for a pair of pums... My one cayo de agua pair is in a 29gal vert, and they use every square inch of it... i personally think that tank is even to small for them. my only experience is with cayo de aguas, and i personally love thierp personality.. bold, and always out for the most part, always hunting and hoppin around. Watching the males call and the females responds is fun as well...didnt really require me to much to get them to breed, they kinds just bred on their own as soon as they were put into the tanks...just my experience with Pums.

Cayo de Aguas run around $150-200 each

ManCreeks run around $80-120

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I got my pair of mancreeks and setup their tank for about 250$. When given the right conditions the male would call all the time, and I saw some courting. Then he stopped calling a lot when it got cooler and they got shyer, but they became bold again when I added a new, thicker layer of leaf litter. Mine have not breed yet. My tank I set up was actually a temporary tank at first but then I left it like it was until I really re-do it this spring. It is really not set up for breeding, with only one brom big enough to hold water and not too many places they would nescessarily lay. I really love CDA's and plan on getting some this summer. I think either one is fine, both are great.
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I am interested in differences between the two as well as I have one of each. Specifically is does the Cayo "prefer" a little less humid environment? And is there a size difference?
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The Man-Creek I have available really vary in size. I have one group that are simply the largest, fattest I have seen. One thing I can tell you about them is they (at least all the specimens I have worked with) are extremely prolific.
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Man Creek are less shy and more prolific. They are just an all around easier frog than the CDA`s.
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I have just the opposite experience with mine, My mancreeks are quite shy and my CDAs are bold as ever. Mancreeks are CB, and CDAs are WC.
My CDAs will start calling openly if they see me walk up to tank to look at em, fun frog to watch.
Mancreeks have gotten little bolder over time, but not nearly as much as CDAs.
My CDAs are more prolific than mancreeks as well. Both specie use all of tank , my mancreeks use floor more than CDAs though.
I think both are great frogs and anyone will have different experiences.

Just my experience...
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Well since I have not asked yet, what do YOU reccommend?
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Old 02-16-2008, 05:59 AM
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I personally recommend Cayo de Agua's,
I really enjoy watching them, they call all day, and mine are breeding like mad. But im a little biast....
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Default Re: Decision: Man Creek vs. Cayo de Agua

i think you need to get another exoterra and just get both pairs of frogs, there is the answer.
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my cayos just had 2 froglets come out and the female is huge again and im assuming there ready to do it all over again, their personalites are what i love best about them, everytime i go up to the tank the male will come out and see whats up and climb the glass and get as close as he can to me, not to mention the males call all day and have little calling battles. They love to hunt and be out in the open and are rarely hiding. Just my experience with them. I have 2 pairs and now 2 froglets. Also i have found it lately easier to find cayo de aguas then to find mancreeks. I havent seen many for sale.
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Ok the Cayo de Aguas seem to be the most attractable(and baised ). Is there anything else I should know regarding possible breeding and tank size for a pair?

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The bigger tank the better, if you wanna successfully keep these frogs, give them all aspects of the forest floor, I keep 2 pair in a 45 tall with only a few broms, (2 large,2 small) but have many cross branches that tie everything together, 1/2 soil, other 1/2 sphagnum moss, little bit of water pool in center as both sides valley down, rock pile in back, several tall plants and little bit of pothos, Stump & lotsa leaf litter.They love it and use everybit of it.
In the last 6mo. they have produced 4 froglets atleast 6 more tads,
Its grown in a ton more than this....And they are always visable !!!!!
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[quote]only a few broms, (2 large,2 small)...in the last 6mo. they have produced 4 froglets atleast 6 more tads [quote]

Thanks for the pic porkchop. Are they depositing those tads in the broms or do you provide other laying sites in there?
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No other tad sites, I only give them broms, I have some pods in there as well (left side widway up)
But they dont seem to collect water, i see adults come and go from them once in a while, but i see them in and out of brom axils quite often. Eggs are usually in plain site.
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I like the water pool, is that for tads or fun?
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Just for fun, i dont think they would use water pool unless absolutely necessary, like if broms died, dried up or became to nasty to use. Im not sure on that , someone else more experienced may know better.
But in short, mostly just for asthetics...
Just noticed tonite that 2 more of tads were moved, who knows where, they're tiny !!!!
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:20 PM
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Default Re: Decision: Man Creek vs. Cayo de Agua

Because I'm in highschool, I'm not sure if the price range is really within my grasp at the moment until I can squeeze a job into my life. Are there breeders that anyone knows of that have lower than the norm. prices? I bet breeding them or MC's would be a blast.

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