thanks, that looks great. my dad just told me of a plumbing store around here i'm gonna stop in at, and if they don't have what i want i'll order that
sorry defaced i forgot to answer you question. the program is SketchUp. don't know if you've ever heard of it, but it's a good program for just that, sketching. it's a fast program, but not good for final presentations. a good thing though is you can export it to autocad.