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Old 02-24-2013, 10:15 PM
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Default Pink/Purple Bellied Atelopus species?

I just got in a group of these, anyone have some suggestions? I got in one female and several males along with a group of the regular yellow Atelopus hoogmoedi. I sent pics off to a researcher who is working on a revision of the A. spumarius complex, so hopefully he can shed some insight. Everyone I sent it to so far suggest an undescribed species in the complex but they just aren't sure.

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Old 02-24-2013, 10:33 PM
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Where do you get these? The lady would love them.
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Old 02-24-2013, 10:37 PM
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These came from Suriname, and other then a lone male, none will be for sale. I'm going to give it a shot breeding them.
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one word: awesome
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The female Atelopus came in with eggs, so hopefully in a few weeks they'll be breeding. I better ramp up algae production for tads
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I'm going to give it a shot breeding them.
Hope you succeed!
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The female Atelopus came in with eggs, so hopefully in a few weeks they'll be breeding. I better ramp up algae production for tads
Good luck..... They are beautiful frogs....Love the color on the males belly.
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Likely hoogmoedi. They are not unlike the tinctorious complex in that they are pretty polymorphic. I believe even barbotini was placed within hoogmoedi as well.
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Btw, treat those nose rubs ASAP or they perish. Good luck!
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I'm waiting on a response from Dr. Stefan Lötters. I've sent pics to a few biologists and exporters in Suriname who say it is not A. hoogmoedi, but may be placed under a new or different species. They are working on a new revision, so hopefully Lötters can give me some information the best he can considering I don't have locality info.

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Likely hoogmoedi. They are not unlike the tinctorious complex in that they are pretty polymorphic. I believe even barbotini was placed within hoogmoedi as well.
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Only that one male (staying here) had a light nose rub that was only visible under strong lighting. It is not infected or open, but he is being treated. I'm very lucky to have a great consulting vet.


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Hey, just wondering, are the frogs that you got the same as these guys?
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Doubtful, the color is a bit different and the pattern is different as well.

Sadly, I tried to get that newly described subspecies and was informed by an exporter there that it appears to be extinct after they have been unable to find them this year. It seems gold mining as poisoned the streams and potentially killed them all off.


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It's either hoogmoedi or flavescenes. I'd wager Stefan will say hoogmoedi. The group I received was easily double the size of other hoogmoedi but still part of the complex.
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Doubtful, the color is a bit different and the pattern is different as well.

Sadly, I tried to get that newly described subspecies and was informed by an exporter there that it appears to be extinct after they have been unable to find them this year. It seems gold mining as poisoned the streams and potentially killed them all off.
Some were imported to the UK and eventually lost their color from what I understand. Love the diversity of the hoogmoedi complex
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A few people suggested A. flavescens. I have no doubt it is part of the complex, but that does not mean it is not a seperate species. I would wager it is at least a locality morph, it would be very interesting if these interbreed with the yellow guys. I have an interesting paper that has similar specimens listed as flavescens, but that does not mean anything.


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It's either hoogmoedi or flavescenes. I'd wager Stefan will say hoogmoedi. The group I received was easily double the size of other hoogmoedi but still part of the complex.

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Hopefully they can breed them or at least preserve genetic material. It would be quite depressing if it turned out the population on the mountain is no longer there.


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It seems gold mining as poisoned the streams and potentially killed them all off.
This is so indescribably sad. It sucks to be living through the greatest mass extinction since the dinosaurs.
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Look up Lake Victoria at some point, sad.


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Regardless of what it is, I'm super jealous of them (and all your frogs). I need to get an import license or something...lol.
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Wow beautiful frog, never seen one like that before. If they really are extincted in the wild, the future of that species is in your hands. Best of luck breeding them!
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The ones that may be extinct are different then what I have. The ones I got are likely common in the wild, just not commonly imported.

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pretty amazing, best of luck!!!
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Default Re: Pink/Purple Bellied Atelopus species?

Today I found the facebook page of an exporter in Suriname that posted recent pictures of the purple Atelopus as well as some of those larger yellow ones that came in recently (Ray, I seem to remember you getting some of these right?), and some incredible orange individuals that are very similar in body shape/size and patterning to the larger yellow animals that have come in (not the smaller standard yellow Hoogmoedi).

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Thanks for posting Colin. The purple Atelopus in those pictures seem a bit different than Justin's. I really like those orange ones in the pictures.
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Sooo....who is importing them?
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Sooo....who is importing them?
First choice reptiles got in a shipment of Atelopus. There are only 2 pink/purple individuals for sale though.
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Full of eggs and in the rain chamber.

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Blue_Pumilio - Do you have any updates to report on your purple Atelopus barbotini? I am thinking about buying 1 or 2 of them.
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I suggest you look into Repashy soilent green to feed your tadpoles. Get it liquidy, and pour it onto rocks to solidify. There are some videos where aquarium keepers are using this for algae eaters and it looks like it works extremely well! You can cater to their algae grazing habit and never worry about running out of food!

Good luck to you sir! Great looking Aetolopus for sure!
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