m stelzneri - bumblebee toad boldness

[Shade71]

So I've read a lot of other posts and I have a good grasp of the temps, humidity, their natural environment, etc.
I'm wondering about their boldness.
On a scale of Terribilis, Tincs or Auratus where do these little guys fall?
I'm wondering how much cover to provide.
My Terribilis make a point of avoiding cover during the day while my Auratus are never far from cover (my Tincs fall in between).
I've provided sleeping spots to hole up in but I'm wondering just how wide open the rest of the tank should (or should not) be.
I read they come from grassy/rocky plains but I'm not sure if that means they enjoy wide open spaces above them during the day or if they spend their time in small shady micro-climates near boulders.

Thanks.

[Colleen53]

I have 6 of them and they do not like it to be very moist in their tank. On the dry side. The females love to eat, but most of the day, they are just lying around in out of site places. When food comes, they come. Very slow moving guys. I enjoy them as they are clumsy and cute! Hope that helps you.

[wesleybrouwer]

They do like to be kept somewhat dryer,
only in breeding season there will be pools due to the rain.
They mainly live in bushlands/grasslands (if that is the proper English name for it )
Yet again, i believe in the US the specimens sold as stelzneri are in fact klappenbachi as well, at least, around here that is the case.

[Shade71]

It would be nice if the species and origins of these little toads was recorded a little bit better. From searching around I'm beginning to get the impression I really have no idea which species I actually have (though it sounds like care is all fairly similar).
When I was looking up M Klappenbachi it mentioned the habitat is shrubland while stelzneri lives in grassland.
I had a couple of these types of toads years ago and they were only half the size of what I currently have, so I wonder what they were.
These are what I currently have...

[wesleybrouwer]

The ones you have right now are klappenbachi,
i'm 100% sure on that.
Care seems to be somewhat similair,
but most caresheets written on stelzneri are actually made by people keeping klappenbachi.
The mix up might have to do with the name change a while back,
M.stelzneri stelzneri became M.klappenbachi.

[Colleen53]

Those pictures look like my toads.

FEMALE


MALE



FEMALE

[Ed]

Originally Posted by wesleybrouwer

The ones you have right now are klappenbachi,
i'm 100% sure on that.
Care seems to be somewhat similair,
but most caresheets written on stelzneri are actually made by people keeping klappenbachi.
The mix up might have to do with the name change a while back,
M.stelzneri stelzneri became M.klappenbachi.

Do you have a reference that changes M. stelzneri stelzneri to M. klappenbachi? I can't find that change in the literature.. In the literature I can locate; M.s. fulvoguttatus was changed to M. klappenbachi... If you are using the wrong nomenclature, then you may be keying them out incorrectly....

[stemcellular]

They are the same as those that began coming into the U.S. starting in April 2010. I received the first group that were imported and they are still going strong!

[wesleybrouwer]

I don't know in what literature they mention a name change from M.s fulvoguttatus to klappenbachi?

The name changes i found in the descriptions of the species, and in places around the web, is that the M. stelzneri fulvoguttatus was concidered a subspecies of stelzneri but became a species on it's own, M.fulvoguttatus.

The other reviewed specimen was stelzneri stelzneri, i can't find the pdf on klappenbachi as quick as i found the description of the change from fulvoguttatus.
I'll post the link underneath for you to read.
Maybe then you'll see that there is a lot of wrong information around the web concerning this species, along with others.
Recently i found a renowned site showing wrong pictures with R.reinwardtii as well, with this toads, pictures are more off then right.

The real stelzneri is not from Paraguay, but from Argentinia and Brasil.

The differences between these 3 are easy to spot when you've read the descriptions and saw the holotypes.
I'll post some as well so you can see the differences.
Maybe you can compare them to the descriptions to see if i'm off on this one.
As soon as i find the pdf i'm looking for i'll send it to you.

Differences between klappenbachi and fulvoguttatus are:

M.klappenbachi: dorsal: large, irregular yellow spots, sometimes black in the yellow spots, yellow spots or blotches dorsally inter-ocular group which forms an irregular band, has a straighter head profile;

M.fulvoguttatus: dorsal: many small, regular yellow spots, not black in the yellow stains, no yellow spot or spots dorsally inter-ocular group which forms an irregular band, has a more rounded head profile

M.stelzneri shows most resemblance to klappenbachi.
Only there is no black in the yellow blotches, also the yellow "mustache" isn't found in the stelzneri but does occur in most of the klappenbachi.
Also the back of the stelzneri shows no spots or blotches.

Article about fulvoguttatus:
http://acd.ufrj.br/~museuhp/CP/Bol-Z...Zool%20500.pdf


This are the pictures:

M.klappenbachi





M.fulvoguttatus





M.stelzneri

[stemcellular]

Originally Posted by wesleybrouwer

hey, those are my frogs!