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Old 12-18-2011, 11:59 PM
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Does anyone have any carnivorous plants in their viv? Mainly sundews or Pitcher plants.
Will pdf's trample the plants or will the plants irritate the frogs?
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Please use the search function on this one. Utricularia are the only carnivorous plants I reccomend
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most cp's are unsuitable for vivs, the only ones i can think of that would work are the "3 sister" drosera, utricularia and nepenthe's. The drosera's may be able to trap and kill frogs but im not sure about nepenthes, not sure if the frogs could escape from their traps or not. Utrics are perfectly safe though
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Here's a picture of a viv I planted 2 years ago, the pitcher plant at the top quit producing pitchers due to the substrate not being moist enough. I started watering it everyday about 2 weeks ago and now have a pitcher opening. I just purchased a parrot, & a purple pitcher plant along with a bladderwort for some new viv's I'm going to plant over the holidays.
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Thanks for the info everyone. I will definitely read up on all species that are suggested. Im just trying to get all my ducks in a row as im about to break down my 90gal and prepare it for my viv.
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Please use the search function on this one. Utricularia are the only carnivorous plants I reccomend
Pinguicula should be ok as well.
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But sticky and frogs will track substrate all over them and they look awful in no time
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Sarracenia species are not suitable for vivariums. They need full sun and seasons in order to prosper.

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If living frogs/other animals are involved (particularly when mixing species that evolved in completely different parts of the world) I usually do not recommend anything other than some of the semi-terrestrial bladderworts in terrariums for a few reasons - basically comes down to cultural conditions and food sources. The rare case would be certain treefrogs and some of the pitcher plants which do interact in the wild (and the frog even raises tadpoles in the pitchers!) but you have to have the RIGHT pitchers (specifically the ones that trap falling debris, not digesting living things caught in the trap) and the RIGHT frogs!

Many CPs may not get the conditions they need long term to thrive... some prefer extremely high light and low nutrients (to the point of wanting RO/distilled/rainwater). Most frog tanks are moderate to low light and have nutrients in the tank which feed other plants, feed microfauna, or just results of frogs eating some food That cuts out a lot of sundews and native pitches (particularly the light issue). I only keep sundews around on my frog shelf to get loose flies, they are not actually IN the tank.

Other issues I've had is that frogs in a confined space can knock the living daylights out of plants! I had some seeds germinate of native sundews in a tank of native marsh frogs. They did great until the native frogs squashed the daylights out of them. They are not the fastest growing plants and just could not keep up with the damage. Unless you had small frogs and big plant you could have a squishing problem....

... of course then your CPs may eat your frog. This is particularly troublesome with plants with large active traps. Think fly traps and tropical pitchers that work so hard to attract live things to eat. Pitchers are evolved so that things to in do not come back out. When you have living things capable of their own movement it gets pretty crafty, and then frogs are TOTALLY on the menu. If they can trap a well developed treefrog, a PDF is easy pickings. If the frog can fit in the pitcher, there is a danger. Fly traps don't often last long because of cultural conditions, but also because if the frogs keep setting off the traps those leaves eventually die and if the plant can't replace them that can kill them right there.

I can't really speak for Pings as I've had bad experiences with them outside of a terrarium, much less in one. One I did see in a tank ended up not lasting long because the frogs kept tracking debris all over it and it eventually died because of either bad conditions or being trampled. It had to be in it's own separate area because it's substrate had to be different than the rest of the tank.

The only CPs I can think of off the top of my head that even occur in the same niches where our little lovelies live tends to be the bladderworts... they can handle the nutrients, lower light levels, and traffic. There are a number of cool sundews - but they tend to be in areas of broken tree canopy that is often scrubby and not good PDF habitat.
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