Brom question

[Ziggi]

Alright, I've thrown away 4 of 30 broms to date.
They were rotted.
Don't know what the problem is but I'll ask.

Some of the current broms i have look great, colors are bright and they seem like they are doing fine. But the bottom where the stolen is seems dried up.
Like the stolen and few leaves attached to that part are brown and dry, but the rest of the brom is colorful and open.

Is it normal that some do this and some don't, is this the beginning of these rotting as well, and if yes what do I do.
It seems sorta contradictory that they need good air flow but high humidity.

Thanks

[fraser2009]

Originally Posted by Ziggi

Alright, I've thrown away 4 of 30 broms to date.
They were rotted.
Don't know what the problem is but I'll ask.

Some of the current broms i have look great, colors are bright and they seem like they are doing fine. But the bottom where the stolen is seems dried up.
Like the stolen and few leaves attached to that part are brown and dry, but the rest of the brom is colorful and open.

Is it normal that some do this and some don't, is this the beginning of these rotting as well, and if yes what do I do.
It seems sorta contradictory that they need good air flow but high humidity.

Thanks

not sure on your rotting but its not really contradictory as they grow attached to trees ect so there used to the air around them being humid so taking them into a mostly still air tank is a big difference

[R1ch13]

The fact that its only the bottom leaves near the stolon that are dried out, is normal.

That is just the oldest leaves dying off, new growth grows from the centre axil...

I wouldnt worry at all, I have a few fireballs like this, and they are still lovely and pupping like mad.

Good luck.

Theyll be fine

Richie

EDIT: I assume the rotting was due to overwatering, you dont want the water to be laying on the leaves all day after a misting, they need a chance to dry out a bit.

[Ziggi]

Thanks fraser and Richie, I had no idea that the old leaves would end up at the bottom like that and the new ones grow from in-out.

They seemed fine but I've lost 4 to rot already, was hoping to catch the problem before it continued, but the leaves seem to dry out throughout the day, they don't stay wet like mentioned above, but there is water in the center most of the time though.

I'll keep an eye on them see if any change happens.

[R1ch13]

Originally Posted by Ziggi

Thanks fraser and Richie, I had no idea that the old leaves would end up at the bottom like that and the new ones grow from in-out.

They seemed fine but I've lost 4 to rot already, was hoping to catch the problem before it continued, but the leaves seem to dry out throughout the day, they don't stay wet like mentioned above, but there is water in the center most of the time though.

I'll keep an eye on them see if any change happens.

Hi again mate...

Ive read myself that keeping water in the axils of the broms is a bad thing, so every so often i empty the water from the centre...

In contrast to this, I have read on many good brom caresheets that for most species you should keep the axil filled with water at all times.

Not letting water gather in broms defeats the purpose of keeping broms for darts in my opinion.

Water gathers in their axils in the wild, as you know and the only difference from the wild and our tanks is airflow.

Do you have any kind of air circ system in you tank?

I have just added a pc fan to my tank, and ill keep you up to date on what happens...

Richie

[R1ch13]

Just took a look at your post about getting your frogs...

And I noticed what looks to be very damp spagnum moss wrapped around the bases of some of your broms, this may be a cause of the rotting...

[Ziggi]

Thanks for the help Richie.
I have no air cirulation in my tanks except for the ventilation holes.
I'm looking at setting up a computer fan in my 40gal breeder since I'd like to keep the fog off the front glass.

My other viv is a exo terra with front vent holes and a top vent crack which keeps the front glass nice and clear and seems to have good ventilation in that one.

I was thinking the same idea as you about the damp sphagnom moss, I did this to hide the toothpics and prevent the frogs from getting injured on them, but I agree that it may very much keep the stolens too damp, I have removed all the sphagnom from the stolens and although ugly I hope it will help.

I doubt the frogs will get injured on the toothpics after seeing how they wander around.

If you don't mind sending me your quick set up of how you did your PC fan.
I'm really struggeling to figure out what size and everything else I need for the 40gal, don't want to dry out my viv either.

Appreciate the help.

[R1ch13]

I doubt theyll get hurt on the tooth picks, after a while in the tank they go all filmsy so if they wer to somehow get ontop of them they would probably just bend...

For now im just using a regular cheap 8cm pc fan hanging at the top right hand corner of the front glass...

I got an old Nokia phone charger and cut the end off, I then wound the wires together from the fan and the charger and voila...

As the charger is only 5v its farely slow, and you can barely feel the breeze coming off it, but when the humidifer is on you can see it more than suffices, because it wooshes the fog all over the place.

This is just a temporary set up, to keep my ferns in good health until I get a proper fan controller, I would say you could try something similar to this becauses its very simple to do, but I myself wouldnt use this if i had any frogs in the tank even with a little mesh cage built around it like you see alot on here.

You should take a look at this if you havent already...

55 gallon journal

Its a great thread, and the internal air re-circ system that he came up with is genius in my opinion and very easy to make...

You could try somethint similar to this..

Hope im helping a little...

Richie

[Dragas]

Originally Posted by R1ch13

Hi again mate...



Water gathers in their axils in the wild, as you know and the only difference from the wild and our tanks is airflow.

And other living creatures that may use this resource as well.