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Here is my proposed vivarium that I have been working on for a while. I'm starting the hardscape stage and wanted some opinions, first off as of now the tank will be for plants and fish only since it will be a paludarium, if someone can direct me to a suitable amphib that is from Borneo I would love to hear about it.

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Tank - standard 75g
Light - twin t5 HO dimmable
Hardscape - custom foam rocks
Humidity - mistking and external humidifier
Substrate - aquasoil covered in sand
Air Circ - plenum style fans (Like grimms 150)
Temps - large amount of water will keep temps stable
Water - there will be a sump and the water level will be variable 4"-12" to represent different seasons and rainfall (I'll show you how I plan on doing this later) The waterfall will also be variable from a small trickle "normal operation" to a heavy flow "During the rainy season and daily rainfall"
Flora - The main plants will be rheophytic aroids (bucephalandra, piptospatha and bakoa) and in the water will be cryptocorynes antive to Borneo (Keei and bullosa)
Fauna - undecided right now

The goal of the build is to represent a waterfall going into a pool with rocks and terrestrial flora on either side of the waterfall I got my inspiration form the pics Mike Lo "Jungle Mike" has posted here are some below

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Ok so here are my two proposed scapes right now let me know what you think

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Modified: Brown will be GS with coco coir covering it along with holes for terrestrial plants Tan is sand and Blue is the water level
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Modified: Brown will be GS with coco coir covering it along with holes for terrestrial plants and Blue is the water level
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Old 12-26-2011, 03:26 AM
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Number 2 definitely gets my vote. It looks more aesthetically pleasing in my opinion. Great inspiration, looks like it's gonna be a good build!
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Looks fantastic man. I like #2. It has much better depth.

You'll have lots of room on that rock wall for mounting cool plants.

Hey are you sure you want to stick GS to that nice rock wall? What if you decide you want to change it up later on? If you want to build it up more you could possibly apply a release agent to the wall and then build you form. That way the GS form would be removable.

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Thanks guys I agree I think 2 is winning me over, the reason for the GS I need to angle the waterfall or it will look too square, the backwall was suprisingly affordable and I will probably trim it down and actually use the trimmings on the side to represent patches of rock in the middle of the coco coir GS mix.

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#2 got my vote too. Can't wait to see the progress
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Number 2. Looking forward to your build!
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Looking good! I like 2 as well.
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If you cut up the two sides, you could always use them for another smaller tank too. This build should be really neat. Looking forward to seeing how you design/engineer everything.
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hi Len,

That is a great idea and Michael's site is a great source of inspiration. I used it to get ideas for my own hillstream viv: new wooden hill stream tank (constr jrnl)

As for Borneo species. Fish is doable, like Gastromyzon or Rasbora (Rhinogobius are great too, but not really from Borneo). As for amphibians - there are no species available in the trade, as far as I am aware. I have South American frogs in my tank - a Mannophryne would be ideal!

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hi Len,

That is a great idea and Michael's site is a great source of inspiration. I used it to get ideas for my own hillstream viv: new wooden hill stream tank (constr jrnl)

As for Borneo species. Fish is doable, like Gastromyzon or Rasbora (Rhinogobius are great too, but not really from Borneo). As for amphibians - there are no species available in the trade, as far as I am aware. I have South American frogs in my tank - a Mannophryne would be ideal!
There are Bornean frog species readily available in the hobby, at least around Europe they are.
Xenophrys, Pedostibes, Megophrys, Leptobrachyum, Microhyla and so on.

I believe most suited of the commonly available species in this type of setup would be either Occidozyga or Hylarana and Odorrana.

Hylarana erythreae, picturata and signata are stream inhabitants,
the Occidozyga laevis or lima are also species that i get in mind,
but you might have to tweak you're shore.
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Like the idea- have you looked at Wims hill stream- bloody amazing.

Did you make the rocks or build them?

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Thanks, Scott from vivariumworks made them for me

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Ok so I constructed the plenum for the pumps and mounted some rocks to it, I made a slight adjustment to the right side having more of the rock background show and less of a stack and more spread out rocks let me know what you think the left side is close to what I want still thinking baout the right side.

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it doesn't look like it in the pics but the rocks are within a couple inches of the front glass otherwise I would say I need to move them forward.

Scape #4 (Large rock pile on the right side)

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as much as i love being a contrarian i think #2 looks nicer. when first scrolling through i thought wow number one looks nice why mess with that. then i saw 2 and understood. i also love the plant selection your are putting in there. not easy to get the bucephalus ive been looking for one for a bit. they are either really pricey or in singapore.
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I think I like #3, with the larger water area.
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I think I like #3, with the larger water area.
I like the large water area as well how about 4 with the taller rock pile water area is about the same in 3&4
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I like 3 more than 4. Having the large rock piles on either side makes it too symmetrical, IMO.
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Have you thought about livestock much more? I love this group of Puntius rhombocellatus barbs that I got. They are very active and colorful.
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Have you thought about livestock much more? I love this group of Puntius rhombocellatus barbs that I got. They are very active and colorful.
I really haven't even thought about it, it will definitely be something native before I go that route I really need to see how the varying water level works first and make sure there are no spots fish can get stranded, I'm also planning on a low water level 2" during the dry season so the crypts will bloom so fish may not work at all with that plan.

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hey len nice to see you came over from the aquarium forum. Looking foward to seeing your paludarium finished with all those aroids.
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Yep I've been over here seeing what cool ideas people had for their vivariums so I can work then into mine, I've almost finished the stand and started the application of GS to build up my plenum and internal sump here are some pics

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Thanks I'm only home on the weekends so hardscape work has taken forever silicone something wait a day for it to dry add foam wait for it to fully expand, I'm almost done so hopefully I'll have picks soon of a finished product I'm going to Thailand for a couple weeks in march for inspiration so it will probably be the end of march before I plant it although most of them are growing in my emersed setup right now.

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Ok I know it's been a while (a couple week trip to Thailand and the a lot of work) but here are some new pic

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I'm going to finish the coir and plumb the whole thing tommorrow so more pics coming

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looks promising!! are you gonna have the hole bottom area filled with water, or some dirt and water?
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It will all be ware with about 2-3" of substrate
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Number 2 keep us updated with more pictures. Good luck.
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It took me a second to realize what #2 was, lol. That is basically the design I went with here it is with the hardscape finished, if you are wondering about the sand shelve it is there so that the waterfall doesn't wash the sand away. I set up the plumbing but I'm going to wait to fill it till next weekend to make sure the silicone is completely cured. I did test the plumbing in the bathroom and it will work good, a slow trickle with the small pump running and a full torrent with the big pump going.

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Wow. Does it take a lot of work to design something like that?
And the brown stuff on the walls is coco-coir? How to you attach it to GS?
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Wow. Does it take a lot of work to design something like that?
And the brown stuff on the walls is coco-coir? How to you attach it to GS?
It's been a lot of research and looking for ideas from other members as for coco coir over the GS it's attached with brown silicone

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Well I filled the tank with water and turned on the pump the waterfall is a success, the big pump makes for a huge amount of water going over the face I'll post some pics tommorrow

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pics MUST HAVE.
I have actually seen very few water features that are open like this.
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I promised pictures so here we go, the first plants are in the tank.

Here is shot of the tank in it's new home between my window and my aquarium, my big philodendron had to move to the other side of the room.
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Here is a closer picture of the waterfall with it's normal water flow.
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Here is the first plant to go into the tank, it's nothing special just a Aglaonema simplex but it is native to Borneo and an a good grower and foliage plant, it will probably get a little big for what I want but it is in a net pot with hydroton and sphagnum on top and i will grow moss around the base so it should be easy to remove when I find something a little more rare and exciting.
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Here is the tank with the first plant in it.
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Here is what my fog maker looks like, its just a humidifier from bed bath and beyond (Thanks Grimm for the idea I think this is the same one you are using)
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Here is a shot of the waterfall with the fog kicking in, I'm not sure what type of cycle I will use the fog for it looks neat though but too much gets a little thick wait till you see the next picture.
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And here it is after a couple minutes of running
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Here is the A simplex and a Macodes petola that now has a new home as well.
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Well folk I have a bit to go yet, the sarawak sand doesn't come till tommorrow so the substrate still needs put in the mistking will get added once I caqn find the 5/8" drill bit I bought to drill the holes for it. I won't set up the big ewaterfall till plants have had a little bit of time to establish themselfes, I don't want to wash the moss of the walls, lol..

I'll keep posting as I go this week.

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If you compress/squish the rock half submerged middle right, does your hand feel wet? Is the open cell allowing water to move through the cast like we had hoped? I'm excited to see how this grows in.
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If you compress/squish the rock half submerged middle right, does your hand feel wet? Is the open cell allowing water to move through the cast like we had hoped? I'm excited to see how this grows in.
Yep they hold moisture like we thought they would, they were really easy to work with and as you can see it came out as I planned. Thanks for all the help and I'll let you know how the open cell works going forward I think people will like the results.

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Hi Lbacha,

I just read this topic through and I must say your setup looks just beautiful. You made a remark about fish probably being a problem since you plan to lower the water level for some time during the year. Have you thought about a wild Betta species? There are many species in Borneo and the mouth brooders are suitable for this kind of biotope (and more often than not pretty easy to keep and breed).
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I just read this topic through and I must say your setup looks just beautiful. You made a remark about fish probably being a problem since you plan to lower the water level for some time during the year. Have you thought about a wild Betta species? There are many species in Borneo and the mouth brooders are suitable for this kind of biotope (and more often than not pretty easy to keep and breed).
I actually was considering Betta macrostoma, I want to let it grow in first and see if I can get a good shrimp population going.
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I am sure you will figure this out. The tank looks great. But you should rotate the fitting on your humidifier 180 deg (and/or shorten the line) the dip will fill with water and no more mist...
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I am sure you will figure this out. The tank looks great. But you should rotate the fitting on your humidifier 180 deg (and/or shorten the line) the dip will fill with water and no more mist...
Already adjusted it thanks for the advice

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