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Old 08-26-2011, 07:17 PM
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Hey everyone. I'm Brandon (for those who don't know :P)
It's about time I finally start a real tank...
The one I have on her before was just practice and I've learned a lot from it.
I'm sorta being forced to build this tank tho....
My ex is being crazy and I'm having to sell everything I own move away back to Bristol.
Might as well build this while I have a chance cause who know when I'll have another.
I've been saving up supplies here and there.
I'm going to having someone babysit my viv for a month or so and I'm coming back to get it. I hope to find a job quick and get some PDFs. Please feel free to suggest some for this tank.
Hopefully I'll get to meet Zoomie/John and gain more knowledge on PDFs since he lives in the area I'll be moving to

Ok so this tank is mostly inspired by Grimm and james67
I'm going to be doing a duct system and hanging vines based upon Grimm's The Peninsula
Then the vines coming off of the bacground of james67's 29 rebuild teaser
Also inspired by each and everyone of you who contribute your threads for us.
This tank wouldn't be possible without all that you've all taught me.

Ok now for some pics of what's going on so far....

Here is the tank....missing the top peice of glass(door) :P gonna get it soon.
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As you can see I painted the bottom to cover the false bottom and give it a sleek look

Side view
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Here is the false bottom...I did a pedestal type of thing and let the edges overhang. That way it can be removed easily and have a tight fit and also it's just so much easier to attach my screen. Plus it's super sturdy so no sense in a support in the middle. The screen btw is bug proof window screen and is pretty much like combining weed block and window screen. Each hole is maybe the width if a sewing needle.
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I made my light fixture myself. It was a regular 10long fixture but it had incandesant sockets I was happy to find this at the local petstore for $5. I cut it down to fit the top of the tank then I expoxied the sides back on. I will be installing a fan on top...(diagram below)
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Here is the bulbs I bought....hopefully it will be enough...
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Lights on...
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Do you think they'll be enough?

For my night light I have an blue LED strip that I got on a trade for my Atari 2600
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LEDs on....
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Yeah I know they are a bit bright lol.

Ok now I'll show you exatly what I was talking about with Grimm and James' vivs
Here is the hanging vine design by Grimm...The Peninsula
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I would find his duct work vid but it took me too long to find that pic haha
I won't be doing the bolt idea and drilling the glass.....istead I will be epoxy gluing it to the top of the tank then sealing it with silicone.
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Here is the vine work inspired by james67.....29 rebuild teaser
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As for plants I don't have such an awesome selction as most of you cause I don't have time to order any but I will be updating them in the future.
This is my 29g green house that is lit by a PC fixture and has a fan inside.
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Here are the plants I have...
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Ok so here is some rough sketches of what I plan on doing....
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The fans are 1 9/16" and I'll have 2 of them hooked up to a power adapter with adjustable voltages so I can runs the fans slower if needed..

I wonder tho....should I put the fan on the light fixture sucking air up or should I have the fan blowing into the fixture?

Also with the air system which do you think I should do....have the air going into to the top and out the bottom or into the bottom and out the top?

Thanks for reading and checking out my thread. I hope to have it all done soon
I hope to add a Mist King starter system to it once I get enough money and get better plants like I said...

Now time for a nap and then to go get the adapter and fans.
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Your planning on putting the fan in the light fixture? If so i dont think that would be good for the light fixture with all the humidity.
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Your planning on putting the fan in the light fixture? If so i dont think that would be good for the light fixture with all the humidity.
The humidity will all be in the tank. The fixture is on top of the tank on the glass.
I don't think humidity can go through glass :P
The fan on the fixture is to keep the lights cool.
I don't know wether to have it sucking air out of the fixture or bloing into the fixture..
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Very nice do it yourself work on the light! You are much handier than I am!!!
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So here is some gadgets I bought today....
AC/DC power supply with volt control $15 Lowes
2 1 9/16" fans $12.99 Radio Shack
2prong adapter $4(gonna take it back...only got it to test the unit. Gonna splice straight into power supply)
Probably gonna be taking the one fan back and get a cheapo fan and have it resting on blowing on it constantly and the timer will shut it and the light off.
Eventually I'll get around to getting another fan and putting it on the light.
I know I'm gonna go do this survey then get a $10 coupon and I'm returning the one fan and then buying it with the $10 coupon and I'll be getting the fan for $3 :P
Oh nvm....it's for a $40 dollar or more purchase...
I guess what I could do is buy $40 worth of stuff and then use the coupon and take it all back except for the fan. Hahaha

Here is the fan and stuff
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Here is the specs on the fans for you geeks out there...
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Now back to my air duct system I'm scemeing up...
Here is a rough preview but I'm about to change it. I was to be able to still access the fan in case it burns out...Any ideas on how to make it still accessable?
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Old 08-27-2011, 04:38 AM
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thanks for the "props" on my build

its going to be hard to make your fan accessible in a system like that w/o some serious work.

honestly id ditch the tubing in a tank that size and go for the fan simply mounted to the glass with some fine mesh covering it.

if your intent on hiding in like this with the tubing (also realize that the amount of air the fan pushes is GREATLY reduced when the air is forced to turn corners or even pass through screen) you'll want to have the fan at one of the ends of the tube (its just logical to have it there) you could glue a 90 to one side of the fan, and a reducer to the other (with the smaller side of the reducer on the fan). the reducer would be able to slide on or off the other tubing, providing enough height is available.

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thanks for the "props" on my build

its going to be hard to make your fan accessible in a system like that w/o some serious work.

honestly id ditch the tubing in a tank that size and go for the fan simply mounted to the glass with some fine mesh covering it.

if your intent on hiding in like this with the tubing (also realize that the amount of air the fan pushes is GREATLY reduced when the air is forced to turn corners or even pass through screen) you'll want to have the fan at one of the ends of the tube (its just logical to have it there) you could glue a 90 to one side of the fan, and a reducer to the other (with the smaller side of the reducer on the fan). the reducer would be able to slide on or off the other tubing, providing enough height is available.

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You're welcome man...
I have cut that whole thing down a lot lol
I'm thinking about just having a box in the top and the fan itself is gonna be like a catride and I can slide it out lol.
I'm just messing around with it right now.
I'm gonna have a tube connected to it going towards the floor to rotate some of the stagnant air off the bottom...
I tested it and its not even air tight and it's blowing a sucking well.
I put the end of the tube to my face and I can feel the air rushing into the tube.
But yeah the more I think about the cartridge idea the more I think it will work and it shouldn't be all that hard really...
Here is where I am so far....I'm about to make a cut where the line is.
The elbow will be pointing over the plants.
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I think I'm gonna go back tomorrow and get a bigger fan....yup I think I will.
I'm still gonna mess with this one for the night and make a prototype
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Hey everyone....
So I've been screwing around with this thing and I've made a prototype of a air system I'm going to use.
It's inspired by Grimm's air duct on his The Peninsula
But with a few changes and only one fan.
The fan can easily be removed and replaced if needed.
I'm gonna get a bigger fan and make this a bit bigger.
Pretty much the idea is for good circulation....
Well here it is...I know its ugly but it will look a lot better.
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I know you're probably asking how can I keep it sealed and whatnot.
Well with chloraplast you have those square cells and I'm going to have pegs that will slide into the cells and have a snug fit and between the front panel and the fan box I will have a bead of silicone going all the way around....gonna make a gasket pretty much.
Yeah I could just silicone the fan to the glass but I want it completely hidden and easy to replace
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Old 08-27-2011, 08:07 AM
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if it were me, i'd take the pieces you have and use them as a template for some acrylic (plexiglass).

you can probably even have it laser cut for under $15 in town, you'll just have to call around. gluing the pieces together is pretty simple, and creating a file is so easy anyone can do it. usually the lasers read illustrator files and you can even download a trial version of that for free.

i would worry about duct tape in the viv. the adhesive seems to be pretty water soluble and i would worry about some of the stuff in it particularly because of its strong odor.

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if it were me, i'd take the pieces you have and use them as a template for some acrylic (plexiglass).

you can probably even have it laser cut for under $15 in town, you'll just have to call around. gluing the pieces together is pretty simple, and creating a file is so easy anyone can do it. usually the lasers read illustrator files and you can even download a trial version of that for free.

i would worry about duct tape in the viv. the adhesive seems to be pretty water soluble and i would worry about some of the stuff in it particularly because of its strong odor.

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I'm gonna be spraying GS and also gonna be covering the front panel in silicone and eco earth.
I'm most likely not gonna use duct tape for the final system, if I do it will be just to hold while I use hot glue.
Chloraplast and duct tape is the same materials Grimm used on his duct system.
The chloraplast will give and work with me but the acrylic won't and I can get duct tape and chloraplast next to nothing lol.
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the light fixture is way too small, and to close to the bulbs, IMO that's why the heat is staying trapped in such a tight space. do one of two things if not both, raise the fixture and have a fan/fans blowing across it and that should resolve the issue.
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Quick update...
Waiting on my mopani to get in.
Been working on my vines.
Got one constructed...about to silicone and peat moss it.
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Using an old coffee grinder me ex's dad left behind and yes I took it apart and cleaned it very well....makes that peat real fine.
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Also scored some free pots at Lowes.
They have a recycle rack that people drop off pots they don't use.
So I got a few of them...I'm gonna sanatize them well.
They are pretty small too.
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Got a new fan....gonna be testing it out.
Is the idea to circulate the air or to just have moving air in the tank?
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the light fixture is way too small, and to close to the bulbs, IMO that's why the heat is staying trapped in such a tight space. do one of two things if not both, raise the fixture and have a fan/fans blowing across it and that should resolve the issue.
Yeah that's what I'm doing.
I might just make a different one tho...
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An air circulation system in a 10 gallon? A little overkill, but ok! lol. Can't wait to see this done.
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An air circulation system in a 10 gallon? A little overkill, but ok! lol. Can't wait to see this done.
Nah not overkill :P
It's thoughtful
I'm scraping that system due to the fan not being powerful enough.
I have a new fan but I'm worried it might be too strong...
I want to have some sort of air movement in the tank so the plants and frogs will thrive better.
I'm gonna try one more thing then if that doesn't work I'm sticking the fan in the corner and saying to hell with it :/
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So the mopani wood I was getting was crappy...it was heart shaped and it was really awkward...
So I got....grapewood
Ii know it molds but I'm sure the mold will go away.
I'm setting this tank up and letting it sit for a while until I get on my feet and by some PDFs.
The mold will go away right?
I know I had mold issues on my grapewood I'm my green tree frog tank but it went away.
Plus the fan cirulating the air you stop mold growth right?
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Most of the mold will go away a few weeks after it shows up (generally shows up in the second week, gone by the fifth). I use a bunch of grapevine because I like the way it looks (hate the two-toneness of mopani) and its cheap. Be aware that it will rot especially if it remains waterlogged. Also, if you feed termites to your darts (when you get them that is) know that the termites will feel right at home in the grapevine.
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Most of the mold will go away a few weeks after it shows up (generally shows up in the second week, gone by the fifth). I use a bunch of grapevine because I like the way it looks (hate the two-toneness of mopani) and its cheap. Be aware that it will rot especially if it remains waterlogged. Also, if you feed termites to your darts (when you get them that is) know that the termites will feel right at home in the grapevine.
So springtails are termites ????
Thanks for helping me with that fieldnstream.
I've noticed I'm getting a lot of thread views but not many have replied and tried to help :/
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So springtails are termites ????
Thanks for helping me with that fieldnstream.
I've noticed I'm getting a lot of thread views but not many have replied and tried to help :/
Springs are not termites (though they look kinda similar)...pretty sure springs are not even insects...something about mouthpart structure. I was feeding termites to some Phrynomantis bifasciatus and some escaped being eaten and made a nice little colony. Was kinda worried about them getting out of the viv at first, but it turned out ok because it became an in-tank food supply for the frogs.
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Springs are not termites (though they look kinda similar)...pretty sure springs are not even insects...something about mouthpart structure. I was feeding termites to some Phrynomantis bifasciatus and some escaped being eaten and made a nice little colony. Was kinda worried about them getting out of the viv at first, but it turned out ok because it became an in-tank food supply for the frogs.
Meh I'd rather not have termites eating my wood :P
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Finally decided to use the fan...
Made a decent air system from what I've had laying around...
Gotta get a longer tube tho...only like 50 at Lowes.
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I have my vine siliconed and peated...
I'm curious how long I have to wait before sucking it off with my shop vac or brush the excess peat off.
I'm gonna do the bacground in eco earth.

For the sustrate I'm using peat moss, eco earth(as a filler), sphagnum moss, charcoal, andorchid bark until I get some ABG mix.
I'm not gonna worry about getting ABG until I have the tank with me again and get more money. I don't want the plants growing on me that fast
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And another update...
Was throwing some plants in there to see where I wanted them and to see where I needed to put some pots for some bromeliads and tillandsias.
This is pretty much where they will be placed...
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Here is a shot with the light off and the glow from the fan LEDs
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Gonna have the cocohut in the back(in brown) and some nice broms(green circle)
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Yeah my cocohut drawing ain't too smooth haha...but It's pretty good for using a phone :P
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i love the hanging vine!!
Looks great!! Its on my to-do list for my next viv!!
Keep the pictures coming!
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Here's a plant list....

Hemigraphis alternata "Purple Waffle"
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Syngonium podophyllum "Arrowhead"
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Cryptanthus otto "Starlight"
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Ficus pumilia "Creeping Fig"
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This is a Cryptanthus I'm not sure the exact name but I think it's called Pink Star
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Some sort of Fittonia....it's not loooking to well tho haha
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This is a type of sword bromeliad...I'm putting it at an angle in the left corner so as it grows it will grow towards the front at an angle...I'm gonna keep it in a very small pot and hopefully it won't get too big...
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It will eventually look like this....
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Still got some moss to come...
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guess i missed it, what are you putting on the rope before applying the peat mulch or whatever it's called.
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guess i missed it, what are you putting on the rope before applying the peat mulch or whatever it's called.
Black silicone.
Put on a glove and spread the silicone the add the peat moss.
It's messy and I'd suggest squeezing some out in a pile on something so you don't have to keep using your gun....
I'm using this....Walamart use to carry it but I haven't seen it there anymore.
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thanks for the reply.
No problem.
Lowe's has a huge hay bale size bag of peat for $10
It's heavy lol especially since they have it sitting outside.
You can't use any of the miracle gro stuff or any peat moss that has fertilizers.
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Dragon, not sure how I missed this. Incredible job thus far. I really like the design and layout.

Can't wait to see it finished. Rock On !
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Dragon, not sure how I missed this. Incredible job thus far. I really like the design and layout.

Can't wait to see it finished. Rock On !
Thanks John...
You might be able to see it in person.
I'm having to move back up there...
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Touch and foam is craptastic......although the resealabe sprayer is worth buying the can for.
I've been using the same can of GS for well longer than the cure times...

With GS when you cut into it it's spongey....Touch N Foam is harder...quite a bit harder.
Plus it doesn't set right if you apply a good abount...its also very pourus. When you cut into it there is huge bubles and you have to fill them in.

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Brandon, I noticed with my great stuff when i forgot to shake the can, it was much firmer and less spongey. I liked that better, in terms of ability to carve. Does the craptastic touch-n-foam feel like that?
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Brandon, I noticed with my great stuff when i forgot to shake the can, it was much firmer and less spongey. I liked that better, in terms of ability to carve. Does the craptastic touch-n-foam feel like that?
I shaked the can a good bit.
It's real brittle and whatnot.
Taking forever to cure...
Only good thing about it is that you can push it in a bit instead of carving in small areas
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Quick update/sneak peek :P

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Hey everyone
my tank is finally finished
except for the leaf litter in the film canisters for eggs (I'll make those in the future) :P
I'm only gonna get to enjoy this for maybe one night tho....power is getting shut of tomorrow maybe
I got a family member to come take the tank for me and mist it daily.
Hopefully I can get one of them to give me a place to stay but the ex kinda pushed my family away from me :/
I tell ya....women will really drive you into the ground :|
I know you're probably thinking, why didn't you use this money to pay the bill....well I actually have been saving all this stuff for some time and I had money on gift cards.
I maybe speant $4 out of pocket for the glass cause my Lowes card got used up.

I had a few hiccups going along... I made top side pieces, wings I guess you could call them, didn't work they blocked out half a light so I wound up cutting and tearing them out and scraping off all the silicone.
also didn't get to do Grimm's and James67's ideas because my fine work was pretty crappy I think I processed to peat moss too much. I shoulda made it more course.

so here you go.....I think it turned out pretty well for my first PDF tank
I hope you all like it.......cause I know I sure do

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Here is my leaf litter....I'm gonna boil it soon. Great thing about living in GA is that there is Magnolia trees everywhere....I have a huge one in my front yard. It sure is hard to find small leaves tho :/ and no I don't use any kind of pesticides or anything in my yard.
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Here is what I did with my false bottom....I attached a stainless steel wire to it so I can pull it up.
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Please tell me what you think and suggest some frogs for me
I deffinently want some climbers
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curious with that screen at the top, i would be leary of the temp and humidity being stable unless i am looking at it wrong?
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curious with that screen at the top, i would be leary of the temp and humidity being stable unless i am looking at it wrong?
That screen is bug screen and has very tiny holes.
I know fruit flies can't get through them cause I breed crickets and the hatching boxes I use have this screen and I have had a problem with fruit flies laying their eggs in with my cricket eggs and when the fruit flies hatch they can't get out.
If I have to I will put tape or something over the vent.
So it should hold humidity better than regular screen.
The glass is staying pretty fogged so the humidity id holding.
I don't have a hydrometer yet but when I get one I'll know what to do.
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curious as well, post when you find out.
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Quick update...
Waiting on my mopani to get in.
Been working on my vines.
Got one constructed...about to silicone and peat moss it.
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Using an old coffee grinder me ex's dad left behind and yes I took it apart and cleaned it very well....makes that peat real fine.
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Also scored some free pots at Lowes.
They have a recycle rack that people drop off pots they don't use.
So I got a few of them...I'm gonna sanatize them well.
They are pretty small too.
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Got a new fan....gonna be testing it out.
Is the idea to circulate the air or to just have moving air in the tank?
I think coffee is viv safe, kind of a hijack, but you can grow coffee plants and i've heard they're viv safe. Never tried it though, but better safe than sorry.
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curious as well, post when you find out.
I have a cheapo hydrometer in there. I know it's not gonna give me the best reading but it is reading like 90%
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