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Old 01-28-2017, 06:14 PM
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Man those tanks look super sweet wish those were in my possession haha, excellent job
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Looks great thanks for sharing. Is there drainage for the false bottom?
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Am I the only one or are there other crazy people up at midnight working on their Vivariums?🤓






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wow, this is awesome. love the cork rounds. it does look like one runs into the other!

keep going........we need more!!
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Old 02-02-2017, 10:43 PM
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Looks great thanks for sharing. Is there drainage for the false bottom?
There will be. I presently don't have the drains installed but plan on using some Mist King bulkheads.
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Well it's late or early depending when you go to bed or get up😜 1:50am?
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These are really coming together! Your attention to detail is really going to pay off in the long run, Seth.

I did have a question. The final picture looks just like a cork mosaic background when it's done. I was just curious why you chose to go with GS in the joints of the flats then painting them to grow moss instead of just ramming sphagnum in there. I think it would save a few drying cycles'-worth of time but it might cost a little more in sphagnum, especially if you go with the good NZ long-fiber stuff (if you went with the traditional cork mosaic). I just wondering what your thought process was. No judgment! I am just always on the lookout for ways to improve my viv-building process :-)

Thanks for posting the build log!

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These are really coming together! Your attention to detail is really going to pay off in the long run, Seth.

I did have a question. The final picture looks just like a cork mosaic background when it's done. I was just curious why you chose to go with GS in the joints of the flats then painting them to grow moss instead of just ramming sphagnum in there. I think it would save a few drying cycles'-worth of time but it might cost a little more in sphagnum, especially if you go with the good NZ long-fiber stuff (if you went with the traditional cork mosaic). I just wondering what your thought process was. No judgment! I am just always on the lookout for ways to improve my viv-building process :-)

Thanks for posting the build log!

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Thanks Mark.
I don't know if I have a really good answer for you but I had a friend who Lost one of his Histrionica breeders because it got behind the background and was trapped. He had a different background. I wanted to prevent anything like this from happening. I really like the idea of stuffing sphagnum in the cracks and on the second tank I hollowed out the cracks a lot deeper and packed more in them.
Another reason was I though that the background may last longer if the water were to run off the front and not behind the cork. This would help prevent trapped moisture from getting back behind the cork where it could rot it and loosen the silicone.
That's also why I used the Titebond III over the styrofoam just to help waterproof it a little bit so the moisture runs down the face of the background.

In the second Vivarium instead of siliconing the cork to the glass and then waiting for it to dry 3-4 days before I could pond foam it I siliconed egg crate to the glass (1-2 days dry time) and then just sprayed the foam on it and pressed the cork into the wet foam.
I think this method gave me a better result with a shorter try time. The air could get to the silicone easily and I didn't use as much of it. To get an irregular piece of bark siliconed at the exact points where it comes in contact with the glass seems harder to do than to press the bark into sticky foam.
Hope this helps.
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Right Now I have a fan blowing on the mossed background. I want to dry it out to be sure that all the glue is cured. (Then comes the Fun Do do do do.)��Go

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Go big or go home! nice work on the glass work.
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What silicon did you use to bond the glass panels together and did you use the same to bond the tracks to the glass?
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Thanks. I've always wanted big tanks. So I decided to have fun.
This is the silicone I'm using. I get it from my local plastics distributor.

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You have really thought it out, Seth. I just wanted to read what your thought process was. Thanks for laying it out. I think, given what you were worried about, you made the right call. For future reference, I have tanks that are about 3 years old now with the cork mosaic in them and they are holding up just great. Who knows how long they will last, but they are showing no signs at all of breaking down, including the sphagnum. If you do the cork mosaic method, you have to be sure to really ram the sphagnum hard into the cracks. This sometimes means that you have to use a lot of it before it works because you have to push it way back underneath before it keeps the tension necessary to to keep it back there long term. I have used the method on many tanks with thumbnails and other small frogs and no one has ever gotten behind the cork. I think it also works well because, even in pretty humid tanks, the sphagnum dries out and is sort of a hard cake in there rather than being soggy all the time, at least in my tanks. I imagine if you mist a lot or have little ventilation, it could stay soggy all the time. In this case, I would worry more about frogs getting behind it. In my tanks, water doesn't run freely behind the cork mosaic. Having said all that, your method works just fine and will probably last just as long, if not longer. It just takes longer and requires more materials :-)

Finally, make sure that the silicone you are using stinks to high heaven while it cures. If it has a more mild odor, it might be the kind that uses organotins as a catalyst. That's bad.

Good job on the builds!

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Thanks Mark.
I don't know if I have a really good answer for you but I had a friend who Lost one of his Histrionica breeders because it got behind the background and was trapped. He had a different background. I wanted to prevent anything like this from happening. I really like the idea of stuffing sphagnum in the cracks and on the second tank I hollowed out the cracks a lot deeper and packed more in them.
Another reason was I though that the background may last longer if the water were to run off the front and not behind the cork. This would help prevent trapped moisture from getting back behind the cork where it could rot it and loosen the silicone.
That's also why I used the Titebond III over the styrofoam just to help waterproof it a little bit so the moisture runs down the face of the background.

In the second Vivarium instead of siliconing the cork to the glass and then waiting for it to dry 3-4 days before I could pond foam it I siliconed egg crate to the glass (1-2 days dry time) and then just sprayed the foam on it and pressed the cork into the wet foam.
I think this method gave me a better result with a shorter try time. The air could get to the silicone easily and I didn't use as much of it. To get an irregular piece of bark siliconed at the exact points where it comes in contact with the glass seems harder to do than to press the bark into sticky foam.
Hope this helps.
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Thank you so much Mark for the input. This is the first time I have done a cork mosaic an I still have a lot to learn.

Do you have any thoughts on promoting moss growth on the cork?
I would like to find some true tropical moss that is low growing.
I also would like to grew a lot of epiphites on the large vine. Do you have any suggestions for me?
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Thank you so much Mark for the input. This is the first time I have done a cork mosaic an I still have a lot to learn.

Do you have any thoughts on promoting moss growth on the cork?
I would like to find some true tropical moss that is low growing.
I also would like to grew a lot of epiphites on the large vine. Do you have any suggestions for me?
I have a couple of general comments, but nothing specific. Mostly, my moss grows by accident, not through any effort of my own :-) I do know that it is tough to get it established anyplace close to where I have vents. It really likes it wet. It also likes light, so that makes it really tough to grow high on the background since I almost always have a vent back there. You can try moss slurry. I know there are some vendors that sell it. I tried it a time or two but it didn't work for me. I am sure it was user error, though. I know that java fern grows quick and leggy/sloppy for me. Easy to grow, though. If you use high quality sphagnum moss, it will come to life again and grow, but it can be almost a weed sometimes, so I am not sure I recommend it.

I am not sure about the epiphytes. I know that Marcgravia just mocks me when I try to tell it where to grow. It just hangs off the edge of anything I try to get it to grow along. It does great on the backgrounds, though. Covers quickly under high light. I am sure there are lots of folks on here that can help with epiphytes. Maybe start a new thread asking for recommendations (and for mosses)? I am amazed at how much folks around here know about plants.

Good luck!

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Hey Seth I sent you a PM. Hope that helps.
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Progress update:

Here are some shots of the plants in their new home.

I also have most of my substrate in and will be planting soon!





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Thank you so much Mark for the input. This is the first time I have done a cork mosaic an I still have a lot to learn.



Do you have any thoughts on promoting moss growth on the cork?

I would like to find some true tropical moss that is low growing.

I also would like to grew a lot of epiphites on the large vine. Do you have any suggestions for me?


Seth,

I would check with DB username Manuran for low growing tropical moss. It will grow nicely on the background as long as it stays damp.


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Progress update:

Here are some shots of the plants in their new home.

I also have most of my substrate in and will be planting soon!





Looks great.. what method did you use to mount the broms?

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To attach the Broms I used a shish-kebob or pencil to poke a hole in the foam and then pushed the brom stalk into it. I tried to leave a long stalk so it would have plenty to hold it on place until the roots could grow.

I attached the orchids with super glue. I was watching some you tube videos and saw an orchid grower useing this method. I applied the glue, stuck the roots in it and then pressed moss on top to hide the glue. He said to get the glue to set faster one can must it. Water seems to speed the curing process.
Here is a link to his video.

https://youtu.be/xriOo2VSewA

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So I would like to get moss and other plants to grow on the large cork tube vine.
I covered it with a layer of peat moss and sphagnum moss.
Do you think that will give a good substrate for plants and moss to grow in?
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Well idk if I'd say that's a little wall Haha tank look great!

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