Bumble bee toad

[trow]

They are very easy to care food isn't an issue as they eat just about anything allthough mine get termites as the majority of there diet they eat all the standard that is offered to the hobby .The only issue is getting them to breed brumation is a must or you will not get any viable eggs you will get amplexus but nothing comes of it usually.Other than that they are cake and I am so glad they are available again now everyone can see what I do everyday.
I just hope this new interest will allow other species to trickle in as well.
Let the madness begin

[nathan]

Originally Posted by trow

They are very easy to care food isn't an issue as they eat just about anything allthough mine get termites as the majority of there diet they eat all the standard that is offered to the hobby .The only issue is getting them to breed brumation is a must or you will not get any viable eggs you will get amplexus but nothing comes of it usually.Other than that they are cake and I am so glad they are available again now everyone can see what I do everyday.
I just hope this new interest will allow other species to trickle in as well.
Let the madness begin

anyway you can post pics of thier set ups?

[stemcellular]

Originally Posted by trow

They are very easy to care food isn't an issue as they eat just about anything allthough mine get termites as the majority of there diet they eat all the standard that is offered to the hobby .The only issue is getting them to breed brumation is a must or you will not get any viable eggs you will get amplexus but nothing comes of it usually.Other than that they are cake and I am so glad they are available again now everyone can see what I do everyday.
I just hope this new interest will allow other species to trickle in as well.
Let the madness begin

I second the desire for madness...ha.

[SethDoty]

Originally Posted by trow

I just hope this new interest will allow other species to trickle in as well.

That would be nice, I would love to see some other species of melanophryniscus come in too, but I seriously doubt it will happen unless some person or group takes it upon themselves to get what ever permits are needed and collects them personally... That would be the best way of getting new species into the hobby since we could have locality data but due to paperwork and legal hassle it is unpractical. It is to bad other countries work with hobbyists so little. When they were being imported in large numbers before I tried to get some other species through the normal import channels and even offered quite a bit of money. I ran across a couple of individuals mixed in with groups of stelzneri that I strongly suspect were montevidensis but other than that nothing in several years of trying. Part of the problem is several of the most interesting species of melanophryniscus come from southern brazil(almost or completely impossible to legally get anything from there) and many are reportedly rare but who knows for sure. Far to little research to know in many cases.

[trow]

I have tried as well but maybe brazil will get off the save the world horse and allow a limited amount of certain species that are not endangered out of their country.I am so curious to see what all the bbtoad buzz will bring.

[Ed]

Brazil and other Latin American countries would not have so many issues with exporting these animals if it wasn't for the entire ebidobatine debacle and the failure of the US to ratify the Biopiracy treaty. It has nothing to do with saving the world and everything to do with a perception that something will be discovered and the country where they came from denied any benefits.

Ed

[SethDoty]

I wouldn't ratify the Biopiracy treaty either. Countries have and should have the ability to pass laws to protect their resources from over exploitation as needed but many governments have a ridiculous level of paranoia that "foreigners" will "steal" something from them even though they might not value it at all. Sometimes they have just cause to worry based on past history but sometimes they become so paranoid that they essentially prevent everyone from doing anything even when it would be for the general good. The end result of that is a waste... They are doing their country no favors either... It is to bad they don't more often take the sensible middle ground of carefully regulating and using their natural resources for profit and the good of their countries and instead hoarding and wasting them. They are sovereign countries, it is their right to do that if they want, but it is a shame...

[zookeeper]

I have six of these guys comeing tommorow, I cant wait to see how they look, I read ground coco fiber can be used for them and that is what i have in the tank but the stuff seems quite course with long pieces in it, is there a risk of them getting entangled or ingesting it? can mel FFs or pin heads be there main/sole diet? theres not much here aside from ffs I do have some springs and I might be abel to get bean weevils but thats about it,

also I had not thought of it but dos anyone know about these guys and chytrid, should I try and treat them sence there WC?

[MonkeyFrogMan28]

Since I see so many people purchasing them, I am going to refrain from buying any in hopes some of you will CB them. Some of the people in this tread have the ability so I am going to wait. I hope you breed some stemcell, I live in MA and would love to have someone close by to breed these. Your work with Mantellas is really amazing. Good luck to everyone.

[Ed]

Originally Posted by SethDoty

I wouldn't ratify the Biopiracy treaty either. Countries have and should have the ability to pass laws to protect their resources from over exploitation as needed but many governments have a ridiculous level of paranoia that "foreigners" will "steal" something from them even though they might not value it at all. Sometimes they have just cause to worry based on past history but sometimes they become so paranoid that they essentially prevent everyone from doing anything even when it would be for the general good. The end result of that is a waste... They are doing their country no favors either... It is to bad they don't more often take the sensible middle ground of carefully regulating and using their natural resources for profit and the good of their countries and instead hoarding and wasting them. They are sovereign countries, it is their right to do that if they want, but it is a shame...

Well, I can't say that I blame the policies put down by some of those countries given the way they have been treated with these respects. The epidobatine is one of the ones that hit the big time..
Some reasearchers and some members of the hobby haven't done the entire process any good either when the level of smuggling is taken into consideration, or when people show up in a country collect a bunch of animals (this used to be a bigger problem with novel fish species), leave the country with them (with or without permits) and describe new species without sharing any of the collected material with the country of origin or give any credit to the country of origin...
This resulted in a backlash, where researchers working in those countries need to hire x number of grad students to work with them, collaborate with researchers in country, and collect x number of animals for each sample they intend to collect for deposition into thier museums for research.

This is a backlash that was due to the actions performed in those countries... and we have to live with the results.

I don't like it as it does hamper conservation (and other work) but we have to live with the results. It also does not help when newly described species can show up for sale within a matter of a week or two after it has been described regardless of the collection regulations in that country or whether or not permits to collect were issued..... Often institutions cannot get permits for those animals either because of the perceptions.

But that is all I am going to say on this issue.

Ed