Farm raised pumilio

[kenya_1977]

I'm considering getting some farm raised pumilio, but I'm really suspicious of it. I'm willing to take some precautionary measure (Dr. Frye) if I could get any advice for what I should be most concerned with. I've heard horror stories of WC ones.

Any suggestions?

[Scott]

I'm hearing horror stories about most everyone involved in this deal.

I'm staying far, far away from it.

s

Unless you can afford a complete loss, without a blink, I agree. Although, calculated risk can lead to reward, but the numbers are still very high in that equation.

[kyle1745]

All I will say in public is that the prices are out of line, and I will not be buying any.

Originally Posted by kenya_1977

I'm considering getting some farm raised pumilio, but I'm really suspicious of it. I'm willing to take some precautionary measure (Dr. Frye) if I could get any advice for what I should be most concerned with. I've heard horror stories of WC ones.

Any suggestions?

[Scott]

For species unavailable (pretty much) in the hobby... the prices are not the issue.

You should see the prices for the really rare frogs.

The issue here is who you're dealing with and the health of the frogs.

Neither of which impresses me (the dealer for sure, the health who knows...).

If I *am* going to spend that much (on a frog), it will be for a much "surer" thing (healthwise) than this.

s

Originally Posted by kyle1745

All I will say in public is that the prices are out of line, and I will not be buying any.

[kyle1745]

In the past I have heard that they were priced from $25-50 each with expected 50% or higher die off. What makes these worth so much more?

Originally Posted by Scott

For species unavailable (pretty much) in the hobby... the prices are not the issue.

You should see the prices for the really rare frogs.

The issue here is who you're dealing with and the health of the frogs.

Neither of which impresses me (the dealer for sure, the health who knows...).

If I *am* going to spend that much (on a frog), it will be for a much "surer" thing (healthwise) than this.

s

[Scott]

2 things.

1 - the morphs are not "common" in the hobby.

2 - when they were $25/50 (in the *distant* past), they were brought in in much greater numbers (and much poorer quality).

Do not mistake me on this... I think very few people should consider this. Mainly those that have medicine(s) at their disposal, and those that have also have someone who can run immediate fecals.

"Farm Raised" or not... they're coming in from the wild and will more than likely be loaded with parasites.

Hopefully the frogs will be packed with much more consideration than those frogs you were talking about ($25/50) were.

s

Originally Posted by kyle1745

In the past I have heard that they were priced from $25-50 each with expected 50% or higher die off. What makes these worth so much more?

I'm not sure if the 50% die off stat is reliable for application today. My humble theory is that many frogs died because people couldn't grow food, make sufficient enclosures, get fecals, or go on dendroboard to ask questions For example: if you read Jewels of the RF, it says that vents are difficult to raise due to the fact that small enough food is not easily accessible. This hobby has become extremely advanced in the last couple years. Many of us have revived some really sick frogs. On that note, I'm not about to spend a grand on a few really sick frogs!

Well I have little experience with many wild caughts however I own a pair of Bronze auratus(WC) from the first shipment from Panama 2 years ago. They are doing great have bred for me and overall been the healthiest frogs i've had. I can imagine that they may need attention from their long journey. So I would be interested in possibly wasting some intestment on these. Who is doing the import. I haven't seen an offering yet.

[kenya_1977]

You guys pretty much confirmed what I already figured. Although at cheaper prices it might be worth the risk, I expect a certain amount of loss, and at almost CB prices it's not worth it. I've also been the benefactor of a great pair of farm raised auratus, but the auratus are a very resilient set of frog (which I've encountered people who have lost them). I would love to get into pumilio/thumbnails hardcore, I was suspecting that this was a risky way given that the prices are 3-4X higher than past.