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[Imperial_Aquatics]

Originally Posted by SmackoftheGods

My point was simply this. You are someone who doesn't want to share very much personal information about yourself. And that's fine. I don't think that makes you a bad hobbyist or someone who shouldn't be taken seriously. But I don't think that just because I choose to divulge information about myself and invite some of the locals over to my place to chat about frogging makes me any less serious.

I never said it made you less serious. Just that there seems to be a tendency to be private among the more serious hobbyists. That doesn't mean that being private in any way is a measure of how serious one is.

But we can't deny that there is a pretty large risk in being wide open about what you have and what you are doing in a public forum, especially if you have 10's of thousands of dollars of livestock that could potentially be a target.

Is it likely to happen? probably not. The guy who lost the fish, and the other story about the snake breeder are clearly extreme incidents that we all can be shocked by. We hope it will never happen to us, but bottom line is one can never be sure.

[SmackoftheGods]

Originally Posted by Imperial_Aquatics

I never said it made you less serious. Just that there seems to be a tendency to be private among the more serious hobbyists. That doesn't mean that being private in any way is a measure of how serious one is.

But we can't deny that there is a pretty large risk in being wide open about what you have and what you are doing in a public forum, especially if you have 10's of thousands of dollars of livestock that could potentially be a target.

Is it likely to happen? probably not. The guy who lost the fish, and the other story about the snake breeder are clearly extreme incidents that we all can be shocked by. We hope it will never happen to us, but bottom line is one can never be sure.

Fair enough. As I've said, I understand the desire for anonimity. Even I (who is a pretty open individual) like to get to know someone a little bit over the phone or via PMs before inviting a person over to my house to see my collection or to sell FF cultures out of my basement. I've just chosen not to take the approach of secrecy. I understand it's a personal choice (one that might be considered naive by many), but I like to think that in being open and honest and helpful the same will be returned to me (at least to _some_ extent) when I need it.

[Imperial_Aquatics]

Originally Posted by SmackoftheGods

I've just chosen not to take the approach of secrecy. I understand it's a personal choice (one that might be considered naive by many), but I like to think that in being open and honest and helpful the same will be returned to me (at least to _some_ extent) when I need it.

First off, being private and being secretive aren't really the same thing. I see a very large difference between the two.

Also, being private doesn't keep one from being open, honest or helpful. You can be all of those and still maintain your privacy.

But you are right, it is all down to personal choice. One shouldn't be judged negatively either way.

[poison beauties]

Displaying the species of which you have can be a good thing for others in need. Although in my opinion the numbers shouldnt be told unless they are asked for or its part of a discussion. It may also help everyone to figure out which frogs are in need of breeding so they donot dissapear from the hobby. We have had a couple of attempted theft here in Atlanta because I made that mistake. Sharing info on care and breeding some of these tricky species can only help us all if we know who to ask for help. Couldnt you see someone new to dart frogs going post to post asking what everyone has because they dont know where to go to for help all because nobody shares what species they are working with. That would get annoying.

[Catfur]

I don't know that there is that much privacy and secrecy (there is some, and some people are annoying about it), so much as a good fraction of the hobby just aren't forum people. Not being an internet forum person doesn't make you a privacy seeker, or secretive, but it does mean that new joe on dendroboard isn't going to know you have the histrionicus they so desperately need.

[Imperial_Aquatics]

Originally Posted by Catfur

it does mean that new joe on dendroboard isn't going to know you have the histrionicus they so desperately need.

Of course if you have one for sale that someone desperately needs, it's probably pretty likely that you have posted it for sale in the marketplace.

For that matter keeping them from posting in the Wanted forum.


I have a few adult frogs I need to match up with some odd balls. I'm sure not looking at people's sig files in the hopes of finding what I am looking for. Just sayin'

[Philsuma]

I think Kyle's vision for this forum is that frog species and sex ratios NOT be listed in member sigs as he feels it clutters up the postings ect.

I'm inclined to agree, especially since I keep way more frogs than would be possible to list in a sig block.

The idea of a breeder database coincidently came up recently at a local MADs meeting at Scott Menigoz's house. It would come in handy, fer sure...

Scott has gracioulsy hosted at least 4 meetings and opened his entire frog room and residence for that matter, to over 40 DB members. I personally applaud his comittment to the hobby.

[Biology]

ya i agree with you all. As far as the thefts are concerned I tend to think that people who have the time, passion, and expertise to care for darts are probably not crazy breaking and entering to gather a bigger collection or sell them piece meal for 100 a piece. For a hobbyist i HIGHLY doubt you would get your stuff stolen. But for a breeder and at zoo's i know its a very serious problem. Google "zoo thefts" and see what comes up. or check out this link. But seriously you think its likely that some ones going to steal your stuff? generally only REALLY hard to find stuff thats probably illegal are the only targets. Ok you were in Suriname and WC some crazy glow-in-the-dark new morph that shits diamonds... yea... you might not want to go telling everyone.....

Koala-Nap Highlights Problem of Zoo Thefts / Animals often sought as exotic pets - SFGate

ANYWAY this has digressed ALOT

[SmackoftheGods]

Originally Posted by Biology

ya i agree with you all. As far as the thefts are concerned I tend to think that people who have the time, passion, and expertise to care for darts are probably not crazy breaking and entering to gather a bigger collection or sell them piece meal for 100 a piece. For a hobbyist i HIGHLY doubt you would get your stuff stolen. But for a breeder and at zoo's i know its a very serious problem. Google "zoo thefts" and see what comes up. or check out this link. But seriously you think its likely that some ones going to steal your stuff? generally only REALLY hard to find stuff thats probably illegal are the only targets. Ok you were in Suriname and WC some crazy glow-in-the-dark new morph that shits diamonds... yea... you might not want to go telling everyone.....

Koala-Nap Highlights Problem of Zoo Thefts / Animals often sought as exotic pets - SFGate

ANYWAY this has digressed ALOT

I have a friend who has a large frog collection. He's pretty open about letting people come in and look around, doing business out of his house to locals type of deal, really cool personable guy. HIs house was broken in to. They trashed a bit of his place and I believe they took his stereo and television and some of the typical items to steal. All his frogs were all untouched. I don't think most people even know what they're looking at if they were to break into one of our homes. Of course, there are always those extreme incidents (which shouldn't be taken lightly).

[Biology]

Originally Posted by SmackoftheGods

I I don't think most people even know what they're looking at if they were to break into one of our homes. Of course, there are always those extreme incidents (which shouldn't be taken lightly).

Oh i just got a good idea, Hahaha big sign on th frog room door: "These are POISON dart frogs, they can kill you if you touch them!!!" might make the random thief that dosent know a single thing about frogs not want to touch anything, at least my vivs will be safe