HYBRIDS? - Pics and Questions

[Ed]

Originally Posted by Tony

Ed, was it you that posted about Azureus being re-imported for zoo collections due to existing bloodlines being tainted by hybridization? I can't find the post now, but I swear it was you and I'm curious to read more about it.

There was some serious speculation that they had been outcrossed with another tinctorious morph at some point but also that they couldn't determine the degree of relatedness of the frogs that were in the zoos so a new group was imported and tracked via a studbook.

Ed

[Tony]

What was the cause of that speculation? Are frogs in the hobby descended from them?

[pedan]

And thank you for the negative rep for politely arguing a point.

[Smashtoad]

Originally Posted by Ed

As for the angst comment... one of the few things that really gets my angst roiling is apparent deliberate misquoting.....
That and misrepresentation of data/facts are usually good to get me rolling...Ed

Me too...100% I deliberately misquoted no one. But I see Pedan got a rep point for stating something someone didn't like...this type of action is partly what prompted me to post in the first place.

Rich...Polar bear population estimates from the turn of the century? Are you serious? This is exactly the type of scientific claim that many laypeople and science wannabes just swallow hole, no questions asked.

Who exactly was doing comprehensive polar bear population studies at the turn of the century? All I know is that last year, the first polar bear in 15 years to travel to Iceland did so and got shot.

From what I read, polar bears only travel that far outside the arctic circle in heavy ice years, yet Mr. Gore would have you believe the ice is in IMMINENT DANGER!!!

And even if there were 100K bears in 1900, and there aren't now...may I be so bold as to ask who cares, and what the ramifications are? Are seal populations exploding? My guess is that would make the Innuit people very happy.

[Philsuma]

Polar bears and Al gore.....in a hybrid thread.

I think this is what got you, the red hat in the past.


The other post about refering to hybrids being just like people was ridiculous as well.

[Rich Conley]

Originally Posted by Smashtoad

Who exactly was doing comprehensive polar bear population studies at the turn of the century?

The same amount of people who were doing comprehensive polar bear population studies in the 50s, 60s, and 70s that your argument relies on: no one. Pretty much all the data and approximations prior to the 90s comes from harvest reports.

[Brian Ferriera]

It never ceases to amaze me how long people on here can continue arguing over the same thing....at what point is every one going to relies that thier are just somethings we can not agree on..
Brian

[McBobs]

This thread might be a relative topic to read for some of the posters in this thread....

How to not get a negative reputation point

-Matt

[mattolsen]

So my question to all you hybrid frowners out there is....how do you think their became so many morphological differences in all of the diverse species today? I personally do not hybridize any of my frogs. However, I think that anyone who thinks that it is wrong to attempt to do it is flat out ignorant. Actually, you can have your opinions but please do not ever come down on someone for doing what they believe in. If anyone would like to debate this please feel free to pm me. I will say that I think that this site is a great resource for aquiring knowledge and such in the hobby of dart frogs although, many people on this site like to jump on anyone who disobeys their general "frog belief" system. To all of those people, get a life and understand that no matter what opinion you may have there are thousands who think you're wrong. My point is... can't we all get along?

[Ed]

Originally Posted by mattolsen

So my question to all you hybrid frowners out there is....how do you think their became so many morphological differences in all of the diverse species today??

It wasn't by hybridization if that is what you are implying...



Ed