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D. Mysteriosis - Please tell me that someone was able to get these legally exported by now...
Sorry, still illegal and probably will be for a long time...
Yes i am trying to convince some breeder up in the UK to shipping out to Mexico where i have family there. But he wont ship to the U.S.A. If i get of hold these Mysteriosis i can bringing across the border with no problem. Will see i keep you posted.
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with all the legal documentation too right? Otherwise thats smuggling.
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with all the legal documentation too right? Otherwise thats smuggling.
I understand the smuggling part but what is smuggling? This is not a drug. I think most people around this board would want to conserve and protect these frogs for future generations to come. I am not going to sell these frogs to just anyone either. If i do get hold of these frogs i would sell them to somenoe that can breed them good with lost of experience. The other docmentation part well you know every frog that came into this hobby became legal at one point or another and i bet you if not already someone out there already had these frogs here in the U.S.A but are waiting or selling them to people they know. Point of the fact people will stay buy them just like anything else.
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I have split this debate from this thread

http://www.dendroboard.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=31777

the Wanted section of the board.

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with all the legal documentation too right? Otherwise thats smuggling.
I understand the smuggling part but what is smuggling? This is not a drug. I think most people around this board would want to conserve and protect these frogs for future generations to come. I am not going to sell these frogs to just anyone either. If i do get hold of these frogs i would sell them to somenoe that can breed them good with lost of experience. The other docmentation part well you know every frog that came into this hobby became legal at one point or another and i bet you if not already someone out there already had these frogs here in the U.S.A but are waiting or selling them to people they know. Point of the fact people will stay buy them just like anything else.
Anything that is transported illegally is smuggled, people, drugs, guns and animals are all examples of items that are smuggled.
The problem with smuggled frogs is that they create a greater demand for the frogs and encourage laundering of the frogs. This is done by smuggling the frogs into the country and claiming they are from the frogs produced by X...
The demand in the pet trade cannot be underestimated as there are more and more examples of localities being stripped of all accessiable animals to supply them to the pet trade (for example after the description of the Chinese Cave gecko was published the location from where it was first found was stripped of all of the animals. Further attempts to study the animal at the original site were impossible).

Simply keeping an animal in captivity is not "conserving" and protecting it as there is no effort being made to keep the animal as it needs to be kept. You could make the same claim about goldfish and guppies..... The method you describe is actually the exact opposite of conserving as you are creating a demand for an illegal item... and by encouraging smuggling you are harming the people in Peru that are working to make these frogs legal by farming them.

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Any info about this frog ? Why is it illegal more so than the other PDFs?
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Illegal because there never where any export permits from Peru. All mysti's in the hobby are illegal.
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Thats what I was thinking because if they were legal they would be huge! But that is why I had that under hoping! Thanks for the responses.
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This may sound cruel, but if there are not that many left in the wild, why not export some to a fewreputable breeders who bid and pay top dollar for them, then use the money that is made to try and set up a sanctuary for them in the wild. This way, IF something happens to them in the wild, there will still be some legal specimens in the world to continue the species survival. Do I have an odd way of thinking about this or do other people agree?
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