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Old 07-12-2010, 10:23 PM
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It's been taking longer for my plants too, and some don't like it at all. However, I think that a layer of humus will rectify that issue. It's been some time since I last planted anything in my clay and by now it's covered with a pretty substantial layer of humus, the result of springtails breaking down the leaf litter. If I planted something now, I think it would fare considerably better. With the exception, of course, of plants that do not appreciate the pH and mineral levels associated with the clay.
There are some real differences in plant growth in tanks where the clay can really drain.Here are a couple of pictures from one of my clay tanks.. The bromeliad was rooted directly into the clay (red art/bentonite mix with a thin layer of red art/bentonite/peat). The shot of the roots are those that the bromeliad has grown through an inch of clay, a half inch air gap and into the water.

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I made Matts recipe. I used a layer of infield conditioner under the clay. Its a 20 gallon high. I seeded with springtails already as well. Matt if you ever read this I give you a lot of credit. This was tough



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I am catching up on this thread since I have been getting a lot of PMs about this topic. The tank pics above look great. How is it holding up?

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Thanks Matt. Its doing good. Broms growing in it, springs doing very well
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I want to add the low rent version of the clay substrate.

Clay kitty litter, peat moss, coco fiber, calcium, water, mixed in a bucket. Spread out thin and left to dry. Crushed up into small pieces and used as a substrate over LECA. Leaf litter on top. Seeded with springs and isopods.

This was 3 or so months ago. The substrate is holding up. The springs and isopods are going crazy under the leaf litter.

I can't say how much the plants like it. This tank is a pothos only tank, and that stuff will grow in anything.

I'll try to get some pics but my camera is a point and shoot and doesn't do close up very well.
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I just went through this whole thread and probably missed it, but where do I find calcium carbonate?

From what I have read bentonite is used for kitty litter. How can you tell if it's a calcium bentonite or a sodium bentonite?


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I just went through this whole thread and probably missed it, but where do I find calcium carbonate?

From what I have read bentonite is used for kitty litter. How can you tell if it's a calcium bentonite or a sodium bentonite?


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Calcium carbonate is basically Repcal or any of those, in pottery supply stores I think it's called whiting.

I think most kitty litter is sodium bentonite, not too sure though.
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Histrionicus tank using Matt's recipe:

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Great thread. I'll be keeping an eye on it for a while and read others before I jump into this, but it seems to be the best option. I've got some of my assumptions and/or questions bellow after reading this.

* To add the mycorrhizae, you should add it into the clay mixture during production and not sprinkling it on after.
*This substrate will not hold it's original structure for long, but it should hold it long enough for mycorrhizae and microfauna to aerate it (or do they actually form new structures around the clay to stabilize it?
*These recipes can be used as backgrounds as well, but add sphagnum moss and or coco fiber to give it better structure and water retention.
*For the calcium carbonate you can use reptical as a substitute
*Plants don't grow as well in this substrate. (easy fix is to form pots into the background and use plant soil in those spots.
*I have a worm composter, would it be beneficial to add the microfauna from there into the substrate, i would use the white worms not the red wigglers.

*A main difference between using these methods and buying planted aquarium substrate is the readily available calcium and structure. As Aquarium substrate must hold up under constant water and has a less need for calcium. So if someone like myself who still has a full container of reptical wants to use it up, could use an aquarium gravel like ADA Amazonia, Fluval, etc could do so with no difference as long as they still plan on dusting with reptical. The aeration will still be ideal for the microfauna with aquarium gravel. But where's the fun in not making your own soil

Again, great post everyone, hope these questions add to the discussion.

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To add onto the aquarium gravel question, I've been informed that one of the main components in aquarium substrate is Leonardite, which is rich in humic acid. As i breifly learned humic acid is important in root growth and nutrient uptake. A quick search shows that Humic or fluvic acid is available at nutritional shops. Would the addition of humic acid into the clay mixture improve plant growth, which currently seems to be a challange for some people?
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