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Old 08-07-2007, 02:06 AM
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Chris,

Are you considering only floor space and not other landscaping features that increase usable space? (say a series of easily scalable ledges wide enough for a large dendrobatid to sit on?)

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Ed,

I’m just stating what I think the minimums should be. It’s true that easily climbable logs and ledges increase the amount of space that terrestrial frogs have and they also serve to create visual barriers. I just consider those icing on the cake. I don’t think my minimums are too restrictive. 200 square inches of floor space per tink amounts to an area that the frog can cover in less than a minute.
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Just asking for clarification.


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I’m just stating what I think the minimums should be. It’s true that easily climbable logs and ledges increase the amount of space that terrestrial frogs have and they also serve to create visual barriers. I just consider those icing on the cake. I don’t think my minimums are too restrictive. 200 square inches of floor space per tink amounts to an area that the frog can cover in less than a minute.
Sorry to be the ecologist nerd again. Another reason this is a good idea is because the substrate is the waste treatment plant of the vivarium and also where the production line for soil arthropods resides. So by sticking to those limits based on floor space, you are setting up some rules of thumb that provide a good chance for some sustainable supplemental food supplies.

Having said that, I have a viv that certainly violates your rule of thumb. It is a cylindrical ventrimaculatus vivarium with small floor space and lots of vertical space. The frogs seem fine with it but I've never been able to maintain much of a springtail colony in that viv.
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9) I will avoid buying wildcaught frogs at all costs. I will try my best to locate a captive bred frog before even considering wildcaught. Once found, I will do as much research as I can to find out were the frog came from, what bloodline it is from, and who bred it.
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10. I will do what is in my power to keep my frog(s) healthy even if this has added expense and effort. I will not buy animals I am unwilling or unable to reasonably care for and I will consider this before I purchase them. I will acknowledge that this is a living animal and not just an item for enjoyment or show and will treat it will a proper amount of dignity, as I would any other animal.
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Keep the ideas coming and we could put this into a care sheet\article.
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I will not sell froglets less than 8 weeks old (12 would be better).
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Good one Mark. I concur.
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I will never buy frogs I haven't planned on and have no where to put them.
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